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Maedhros

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:25 PM Sep 2014

You've been had - AGAIN. [View all]

As many suspected, the Administration's justification for air strikes within Syria was all smoke and mirrors.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/28/u-s-officials-invented-terror-group-justify-bombing-syria/

As the Obama Administration prepared to bomb Syria without congressional or U.N. authorization, it faced two problems. The first was the difficulty of sustaining public support for a new years-long war against ISIS, a group that clearly posed no imminent threat to the “homeland.” A second was the lack of legal justification for launching a new bombing campaign with no viable claim of self-defense or U.N. approval.

The solution to both problems was found in the wholesale concoction of a brand new terror threat that was branded “The Khorasan Group.” After spending weeks depicting ISIS as an unprecedented threat — too radical even for Al Qaeda! — administration officials suddenly began spoon-feeding their favorite media organizations and national security journalists tales of a secret group that was even scarier and more threatening than ISIS, one that posed a direct and immediate threat to the American Homeland. Seemingly out of nowhere, a new terror group was created in media lore.


. . .

But once it served its purpose of justifying the start of the bombing campaign in Syria, the Khorasan narrative simply evaporated as quickly as it materialized. Foreign Policy‘s Shane Harris, with two other writers, was one of the first to question whether the “threat” was anywhere near what it had been depicted to be:

But according to the top U.S. counterterrorism official, as well as Obama himself, there is “no credible information” that the militants of the Islamic State were planning to attack inside the United States. Although the group could pose a domestic terrorism threat if left unchecked, any plot it tried launching today would be “limited in scope” and “nothing like a 9/11-scale attack,” Matthew Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said in remarks at the Brookings Institution earlier this month. That would suggest that Khorasan doesn’t have the capability either, even if it’s working to develop it.

“Khorasan has the desire to attack, though we’re not sure their capabilities match their desire,” a senior U.S. counterterrorism official told Foreign Policy.

On September 25, The New York Times — just days after hyping the Khorasan threat to the homeland — wrote that “the group’s evolution from obscurity to infamy has been sudden.” And the paper of record began, for the first time, to note how little evidence actually existed for all those claims about the imminent threats posed to the homeland:

American officials have given differing accounts about just how close the group was to mounting an attack, and about what chance any plot had of success. One senior American official on Wednesday described the Khorasan plotting as “aspirational” and said that there did not yet seem to be a concrete plan in the works.

Literally within a matter of days, we went from “perhaps in its final stages of planning its attack” (CNN) to “plotting as ‘aspirational’” and “there did not yet seem to be a concrete plan in the works” (NYT).


Indeed, after the air strikes were launched, the "Khorason Group" suddenly dropped back into obscurity:

Regarding claims that an attack was “imminent,” Comey said: “I don’t know exactly what that word means…’imminent’” — a rather consequential admission given that said imminence was used as the justification for launching military action in the first place.

Even more remarkable, it turns out the very existence of an actual “Khorasan Group” was to some degree an invention of the American government. NBC’s Engel, the day after he reported on the U.S. government’s claims about the group for Nightly News, seemed to have serious second thoughts about the group’s existence, tweeting:



Indeed, a Nexis search for the group found almost no mentions of its name prior to the September 13 AP article based on anonymous officials. There was one oblique reference to it in a July 31 CNN op-ed by Peter Bergen. The other mention was an article in the LA Times from two weeks earlier about Pakistan which mentioned the group’s name as something quite different than how it’s being used now: as “the intelligence wing of the powerful Pakistani Taliban faction led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur.” Tim Shorrock noted that the name appears in a 2011 hacked Stratfor email published by WikiLeaks, referencing a Dawn article that depicts them as a Pakistan-based group which was fighting against and “expelled by” (not “led by”) Bahadur.


. . .

What happened here is all-too-familiar. The Obama administration needed propagandistic and legal rationale for bombing yet another predominantly Muslim country. While emotions over the ISIS beheading videos were high, they were not enough to sustain a lengthy new war.


Nothing this Administration leaks or states regarding matters of war should be given any more credence than that spewed forth by the previous Administration.
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You've been had - AGAIN. [View all] Maedhros Sep 2014 OP
!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #1
Well....Greenwald has to push this narrative because the fact that msanthrope Sep 2014 #10
You see, there's an agenda at play here. I realize there are sympathizers in the West, or else.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #21
Russia gets a pass from gg even while wiping press flamingdem Sep 2014 #51
Why is that, you reckon? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #58
After taking Koch money, GG's moved on to other moneyed interests. Wheeler, msanthrope Sep 2014 #70
You got that right. Bought & paid for. There's a name for it, but I won't mention it here. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #79
i wonder if he will write about what is happening in hong kong JI7 Sep 2014 #41
Or about recent repression of the media flamingdem Sep 2014 #47
You ain't gonna hear shit from Glenn. He knows who butters his bread. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #71
He's a poopyhead! woo me with science Sep 2014 #80
Incredible isn't it? Stilted dribble trying to give the NSA/CIA pig a makeover. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #99
+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #120
Exactly. They're having a grand time talking amongst themselves. cui bono Sep 2014 #138
No excitement on DU about zapping flamingdem Sep 2014 #50
We get a 9/11 conspirator, and DU publishes shit from GG. msanthrope Sep 2014 #72
You can say that again! nt MADem Sep 2014 #73
Well...GG has measured his audience well. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #74
No doubt of that, certainly! nt MADem Sep 2014 #75
Odd. Khorasan does not show up on the list. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #78
Every single known member does. And if you understood basic Arabic, msanthrope Sep 2014 #124
That's a link with no info about Khorasan. cui bono Sep 2014 #140
I know about the region and I know what the word means... Fawke Em Sep 2014 #150
Just because he wears an aluminum hat doesn't mean there're no conspiracies..... marble falls Sep 2014 #20
!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #22
Khorosan literally came out of nowhere. So, how do you explain it? I said in a post ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #108
You do know that Khorosan is just a rebranding of old Senior AQ members, right? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #111
So you're saying they made it up then? cui bono Sep 2014 #141
Yeah. OK. Just laugh. But, remember when the Grenadian Navy invaded Miami? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #2
Don't forget the massive Panamanian military! arcane1 Sep 2014 #4
They might have been trying to acquire deadly toxins. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #16
"a major military bastion to export terror and undermine democracy. We got there just in time" MisterP Sep 2014 #12
We know exactly where the Khorasan Group is. Maedhros Sep 2014 #15
THIS. Volaris Sep 2014 #29
+1 NealK Sep 2014 #105
Exactly! ctsnowman Sep 2014 #118
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Sep 2014 #121
+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #137
Yeah, we got there just in time Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #77
They were a hairsbreadth away from launching an invading force of Grenadiers. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #27
Well...last time I encountered a "Hare" it's breath was short and halting. KoKo Sep 2014 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #3
I agree. secondwind Sep 2014 #46
Fool me once...er, what? leftstreet Sep 2014 #5
the obama admin is just ready to lie to justify its fucked up foriegn policy as the last crew KG Sep 2014 #6
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #7
My favorite parts are these: Maedhros Sep 2014 #8
+100000000 woo me with science Sep 2014 #81
You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out, your put your right foot in & you shake it misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #9
You realize this entire post is discredited right wing bullshit... right? gcomeau Sep 2014 #129
Where is the info that discredits this? Leave out the GG bashing, that doesn't fly. cui bono Sep 2014 #143
For those of us here who don't watch that RW Stuff or Listen to it... KoKo Sep 2014 #148
I believe Richard Engel. Been watching him on Rachel for years. And if he is right like he usually jwirr Sep 2014 #11
k/r nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #13
Welcome to short attention-span theater. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #14
We were watching football. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #17
This is essentilly what I said . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #18
Eh. They're mostly the same folks JoeyT Sep 2014 #116
I heard ISIS dumped babies out of their incubators and onto the cold floor. That true? RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #19
Warmonger is as warmonger does. Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #23
There are so many Al Qaeda #1's and #2's... CJCRANE Sep 2014 #24
And people who really need them will lose benefits over this shit BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #31
Exactly. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #112
And 40 years ctsnowman Sep 2014 #119
i call bullshit. no reason for the crazy muslim nuts to align themselves. sadly, the bushevics pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #25
DU Unrec MohRokTah Sep 2014 #26
I wasn't "had." Brigid Sep 2014 #28
The title was directed toward those who support this latest war of choice. Maedhros Sep 2014 #30
most of the posters in this thread never believed either..we've been there, done that xiamiam Sep 2014 #35
Terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of TV J_J_ Sep 2014 #32
There is a pattern developing here... [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #37
Terrorism experts had better shut up. woo me with science Sep 2014 #82
They will be saying the opposite next week. n/t Jamastiene Sep 2014 #113
MIC has their own agenda no president can stop. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #33
Yeah, the Commander in Chief is powerless brentspeak Sep 2014 #34
It's gonna be war anyway. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #36
Is there some other Commander in Chief that we don't know about? brentspeak Sep 2014 #48
Bill Clinton once said "the media is the government" CJCRANE Sep 2014 #52
That's nice. Who's the CIC, again? n/t brentspeak Sep 2014 #53
You just don't get it. cui bono Sep 2014 #144
No need for ridiculous personal attacks, Brent. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #60
Of course there is. It isn't rocket science. Do you think that when Obama became president rhett o rick Sep 2014 #98
Or the CIC is just a title. zeemike Sep 2014 #40
Let's say that the CiC tells Gen Clapper to do something he doesnt want to do. What happens if rhett o rick Sep 2014 #97
What would happen if a president came out in a press conference and told it all? cui bono Sep 2014 #147
I don't see a way out to be honest. Doesn't mean I won't continue to fight rhett o rick Sep 2014 #151
MIC and TPTB are weak-kneed and cowardly ways to spell POTUS. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #54
Listen to Eisenhower's speech on his way out of office. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #57
Why would I do that when I just heard the POTUS explain his actions to me? Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #61
And his decision was not based on strong advise from his military advisors? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #62
Which he could have told them to pound up their asses. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #63
Can you put your hands in your head? Oh no. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #64
Whatever that means. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #65
Actually, the suckers are those who lap up geek tragedy Sep 2014 #38
this stonecutter357 Sep 2014 #49
Actually, you are 100% correct! mrdmk Sep 2014 #55
Huh? On 9/23, the President announced that he had started the bombing campaign against ISIL the Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #66
Greenwald is claiming that the White House relied upon geek tragedy Sep 2014 #67
No he said Khoroasan, the group that is being touted as an imminent threat to the U.S., Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #69
And he was lying, since the Obama admin never cited Khorasan as the justification for geek tragedy Sep 2014 #92
And Greenwald never said he cited Khorasan as the reason for starting another war. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #100
Except Obama is not using Khorasan as a justification of bombing Syria/ISIL. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #102
Why are we bombing ISIL without Congress or UN approval? By 9/22, it was universally Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #103
Because they are destabilizing the entire region. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #104
So we side step the Constitution and the UN over destabilization. Destabilization is not a LEGAL Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #106
For air strikes, sidestepping the constitution and UN is de rigueur. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #107
Indeed. The oligarchs make their own reality. It is up to history to interpret it. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #110
That is baloney. Read the US Constitution. It clearly states that truedelphi Sep 2014 #134
The constitution says congress has the authority geek tragedy Sep 2014 #136
Absofuckinglutely hueymahl Sep 2014 #130
K&R liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #39
“aspirational” PeoViejo Sep 2014 #42
How many times does one need to be hit over the head.... ReRe Sep 2014 #43
No one that was paying attention Aerows Sep 2014 #44
THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2014 #90
"Carefully vetted moderate rebels"... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #146
Mine, too Aerows Sep 2014 #149
But Chess! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #45
Oh noes, they are going to pelt you with rotten tomatoes. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #115
Oh no! I'm headed for jury censure now! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #117
speak for yourself. Doctor_J Sep 2014 #56
I know - many, actually. Maedhros Sep 2014 #68
Not me malaise Sep 2014 #76
"lies, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies..." blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #83
Not me. Phlem Sep 2014 #84
K&R Lies upon lies upon lies. woo me with science Sep 2014 #85
Indeed! And who could have known "Memory Wipe Out" takes so KoKo Sep 2014 #86
Don't forget "Babies Thrown Out of Incubators" Thanks to Hill & Knowlton nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #91
True....probably the same group that invented Khorasan... KoKo Sep 2014 #125
This is one of the funniest claims I have seen in a while. stevenleser Sep 2014 #87
These threads are helpful in determining posters's motives. bobduca Sep 2014 #88
It's like a glorious Big Bang of string theory propaganda! woo me with science Sep 2014 #95
I was not "had" the first time Skittles Sep 2014 #89
Apparently not, since you're believing Greenwald's nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #93
Nor I, Skittles... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #156
I support bombing the Kardashian Group. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #94
"'Asian Dawn'?" "I read about them in Time Magazine." hatrack Sep 2014 #96
+! Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #101
The responses to my thread had taken a weird turn, so I logged out to take a look Maedhros Sep 2014 #109
Ignore - yer doin' it wrong...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #139
It's an "eye opener" isn't it when one's Ignore List is viewed Off Line KoKo Sep 2014 #142
"Internet Pollution" is what I call it. Maedhros Sep 2014 #152
Just an observation. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #114
You've missed alot. Three articles in DU/GD linked to the Salon Article KoKo Sep 2014 #153
You've missed my point entirely ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #155
Article is Co-Authored with Murtaza Hussain..Here's Amy Goodman's Interview with Hussain re Article KoKo Oct 2014 #159
For the THIRD time ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #160
What do YOU think about the article Itself....Then? KoKo Oct 2014 #161
Where did I say ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #162
It's not about Greenwald...Did you Read the "Democracy Now" Link I gave you? KoKo Oct 2014 #163
I don't fear ISIS, but I do fear the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson. Thanks for the thread. Scuba Sep 2014 #122
The MIC will have it's war.... blackspade Sep 2014 #123
After years of psychopathic fear mongering and jingoism, Alkene Sep 2014 #126
It's adorable someone thinks the USG is still looking for merrily Sep 2014 #127
The article does not rely solely on the tweets of Richard Engel. Maedhros Sep 2014 #135
I used OT to try to show that my post was an aside about Engel. merrily Oct 2014 #157
Missed that - sorry. [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2014 #158
No problem. Hard to show intent on a board. merrily Oct 2014 #165
Someone's been had... and guess what? It's you. -eom gcomeau Sep 2014 #128
Living a Real Life Movie taotzu Sep 2014 #131
Big MIC loves us. woo me with science Sep 2014 #132
Have I mentioned how much I appreciate Richard Engel? loudsue Sep 2014 #133
I think he tries...and is good. He even is quoted KoKo Oct 2014 #164
The ME flareup occurred right during and after Ferguson. Trillo Sep 2014 #154
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