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jeff47

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52. It is the criticism

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:31 PM

Sep 2014

And as always happens when discussing opinions about why someone would do such a thing, it wanders off into motive. This lie is so sloppy it's pretty easy to ascribe some nefarious motives to him. Largely because innocent motives don't make much sense - we're not talking about an easy thing to accidentally screw up - "It was an SA-11, not an SA-10!"

I have no idea why Greenwald decided to lie, and to lie in such a sloppy manner. And frankly, I don't give a shit about why.

Fact is he is doing so because reality is not fitting the story he wants to tell. Which means I now must distrust everything he says from now on, as well as rethink everything he has reported up to this point. Because he's demonstrated he will lie to tell the story he wants to tell.

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Weirded Out By All the Attacks on Glenn Greenwald [View all] daredtowork Sep 2014 OP

There are a lot of gov't employees who enjoy their 'special powers of secrecy' Purveyor Sep 2014 #1

+1 nashville_brook Sep 2014 #4

not only govt, but PR folks from all corners... nashville_brook Sep 2014 #7

Can I have a list, please? Or can you at least alert Skinner? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #9

Why would I alert Skinner? As far as I know it is not a TOS violation to work Purveyor Sep 2014 #15

Then can we have a list of who you think works for the government? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #18

Oh yeah, like that is going happen so you can mash on the alert button... Purveyor Sep 2014 #89

Why would I alert on utter hilarity? Look, I quoted Caddyshack to Manny, got hid. msanthrope Sep 2014 #107

Oh, I'd bet a nickle those on the list already have the list Android3.14 Sep 2014 #103

Don't forget Andy823 Sep 2014 #10

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #13

It sort of smells like Jane Hamsher around this time of midterms, doesn't it? LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #24

There are a lot of Rand Paul supporters posting 'secretly' to further their agenda blm Sep 2014 #20

+1 Government, party... woo me with science Sep 2014 #23

There are people who invent conspiracy theories geek tragedy Sep 2014 #117

States that build surveillance machines woo me with science Sep 2014 #2

Thank you. Great post. Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #100

Right. You don't have an opinion. Sounds like you do. randome Sep 2014 #3

I have a feeling my FATCA/Greenwald prediction will be coming true....he's msanthrope Sep 2014 #16

I've been waiting for that hammer to fall, too, since you mentioned it many months ago. randome Sep 2014 #22

Maybe Pierre paid off the liens....but he'll have to file taxes from now on. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #28

Greenwald doesn't screw up to those who worship the ground he walks on? blm Sep 2014 #5

Good post. Andy823 Sep 2014 #17

Now I'm COINTELPRO? Jeebus, where's my check from the NSA? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #6

You should be weirded out. More than that, woo me with science Sep 2014 #8

Woo, if you find DU to be part of the propaganda state, then why are you participating in it? msanthrope Sep 2014 #12

Good question. Andy823 Sep 2014 #21

Especially if they thought the site was infiltrated by the CIA and the like. I mean, really. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #26

Yep Andy823 Sep 2014 #35

Who knew we were that important? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #43

This is where the eyeballs are Fred Friendlier Sep 2014 #69

Love it or leave it? Z_California Sep 2014 #99

this is why i go on about my ignore list bobduca Sep 2014 #111

I just transmitted a super-secret-encrypted message to HQ. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #101

"The eagle has landed, the fat man walks alone!" nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #105

When posting about Greeny we get paid double, the CIA and FBI have him as the greatest threat snooper2 Sep 2014 #77

I haven't gotten a check in over a month! zappaman Sep 2014 #81

When you log into the HR tools click on employee essentials snooper2 Sep 2014 #88

there's a case to be made for not allowing it here Enrique Sep 2014 #11

Interesting. Andy823 Sep 2014 #25

they have banned people for that Enrique Sep 2014 #41

sadly, ad hominem attacks have proven a fairly effective way to divert discussions here KurtNYC Sep 2014 #14

Greenwald is a Libertarian. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #19

"This is a recording." RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #42

As someone posted on another thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #68

Or, there is no conspiracy, and no need to wear tinfoil hats hueymahl Sep 2014 #78

If you think these accusations are unfounded ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #82

And if you do think these accusations were well founded DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #123

ALCOA! FSogol Sep 2014 #27

I am soooo stealing that!!! Of course, the corporatist in me now wants to go buy stocks msanthrope Sep 2014 #30

Just remember, the supporters of the Democratic Party and the Democratic Administration on FSogol Sep 2014 #37

Well, being pro-Obama is a sure sign that you are a paid corporatist. Though what company is paying msanthrope Sep 2014 #112

Greenwald is a proven liar. PROVEN. LIAR. He flat out lied about his partner getting hauled in KittyWampus Sep 2014 #29

O.o daredtowork Sep 2014 #36

He was carrying stolen British Intelligence materials through Britain. Yes....that is a chargeable msanthrope Sep 2014 #50

YOU are the one "framing" things. Greenwald LIED. He unequivocally lied about his partner. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #53

O.o daredtowork Sep 2014 #92

You are the one "slanting" things. Claiming someone is detained without a lawyer KittyWampus Sep 2014 #94

If you were in legal trouble daredtowork Sep 2014 #96

Note the immediate, familiar swarm. woo me with science Sep 2014 #31

Would you kindly identify who you think is part of this swarm? Also, you didn't answer my msanthrope Sep 2014 #34

Swarm defined ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #72

I only see 9 responses Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #40

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #79

Attacking the messenger Aerows Sep 2014 #32

Although I may not hold Greenwald in highest regard, I do not attack the person.......... wandy Sep 2014 #48

Doesn't matter what he did before. What he's doing now is bad. jeff47 Sep 2014 #33

Then that should be the criticism daredtowork Sep 2014 #45

It is the criticism jeff47 Sep 2014 #52

So you can see that overthetop attacks on Greenwald make you instinctively blm Sep 2014 #58

+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Sep 2014 #93

No he's not claiming Khorasan was the justification... KoKo Sep 2014 #65

Try looking at the article in the Intercept. jeff47 Sep 2014 #70

You need to think about the article at the "Intercept" a little more... KoKo Sep 2014 #113

The anti-Greenwald group has been an amazing feature of DU for a year and a bit muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #38

Nothing mysterious about it. randome Sep 2014 #47

Pretty broad brush, m.... blm Sep 2014 #51

I have never noticed you among the "Greenwald is the Antichrist" movement muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #56

I'm not part of either. But, this OP screamed for the logic mirror to be hoisted. blm Sep 2014 #63

Just in case my own politics aren't clear daredtowork Sep 2014 #108

Spot on. Puglover Sep 2014 #59

It's been going on a lot longer than that. Who could forget the thread about Greenwald opposing seaglass Sep 2014 #124

I for one am not attacking Glenn Greenwald............ wandy Sep 2014 #39

Note the names involved. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #44

Yes. And life is too damn short. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #54

+1 Pay attention to the patterns. woo me with science Sep 2014 #61

yes, that is the connection G_j Sep 2014 #67

A fun link to have nearby while watching the show: woo me with science Sep 2014 #83

oh, that is fun G_j Sep 2014 #90

good website. thanks bbgrunt Sep 2014 #114

Patterns, you mean like chemtrails and stuff? LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #76

You got that right! Andy823 Sep 2014 #98

That's exactly what an authoritarian NSA lackey would say to catch us all off guard! randome Sep 2014 #116

K&R 99Forever Sep 2014 #46

I have most of those people on the ignore list, and my DU experience is greatly improved for it. Maedhros Sep 2014 #49

Yes. I kept thinking some would come around. Clearly a fool's errand. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #57

The OP'er's resonse in #36 of this thread proves there is an agenda involved here. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #55

Go back to bed. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #66

Is that simple rudeness, or is there a hidden meaning in that remark? nt MADem Sep 2014 #115

He says that a lot MADem. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #121

Agreed. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #87

You might wanna delete this post, it smells like "disruptive META" to me. MADem Sep 2014 #60

There's one of the odd anti-Greenwald claims - that a writer writing a book for royalties is evil muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #73

No no no--if you are a "reporter" you get paid a salary and you "report." MADem Sep 2014 #75

I thought you had a vague idea of what journalism is about muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #84

But he wasn't freelance. He worked in a salaried position for MADem Sep 2014 #97

Greenwald also took a quarter billion to start a news outlet. So it isn't just about book royalties. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #95

I'm not Defending Greenwald's Current Actions daredtowork Sep 2014 #80

You are accusing DUers of all sorts of horrible things in your OP, though. MADem Sep 2014 #104

I'm Not a Greenwald Partisan daredtowork Sep 2014 #119

I didn't see the OP accusing anyone of what you said. KoKo Sep 2014 #86

Notwithstanding the unintentional Betsy Ross reference, here you go: MADem Sep 2014 #109

It's not me you need to convince about the OP, it's the hosts muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #120

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #62

If Bush was still in the WH, DU would send GG flowers n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #64

In the end, none of it matters. randome Sep 2014 #71

�News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.� Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #74

And Robert Parry. And Michael Moore. It's embarrassing nt Teamster Jeff Sep 2014 #85

NSA trolls? Let them yak... :) Helen Borg Sep 2014 #91

Weirded out by all the support for a Kochs brothers libertarian by supposed progressives. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #102

I like the Greenwald detractors even less than I like Greenwald Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #106

As a Libertarian, this kind of confusion and defending is exactly what Greenwald Tikki Sep 2014 #110

Concerted effort to silence opposition to Big War & The Money Hoarders. Noted by Their silence on grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #118

Greenwald seems to cause a lot of people to become unhinged. The lie that he�s a libertarian is Chathamization Sep 2014 #122

Locking as disruptive meta. cbayer Sep 2014 #125