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80. I'm not Defending Greenwald's Current Actions

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:04 PM

Sep 2014

I do admire how he helped Snowden - and I'm sorry to differ with you there. I'm also bummed out by Greenwald's Libertarian remarks, but I don't see him as a GOP pawn yet. I also do regard a lot of his "opportunism" as his job.

If the people here would genuinely like me to develop a critical view of Greenwald, they should realize that when their posts come across as propaganda, it KEEPS me from forming a critical view. When I start to think "why are all these people trying to discredit Greenwald?", it keeps me from evaluating the story itself - it might even make me more inclined to defend it, where previously I had been neutral.

The important article to write to persuade people like me would be one countering Greenwald's claims: establishing Khorasans existence, explaining it's importance, etc. THEN, if Greenwald made stuff up, point it out. At that point, Greenwald is discredited as a reporter. Mission accomplished.

The approach that's being taken here, however, backfires.

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Weirded Out By All the Attacks on Glenn Greenwald [View all] daredtowork Sep 2014 OP

There are a lot of gov't employees who enjoy their 'special powers of secrecy' Purveyor Sep 2014 #1

+1 nashville_brook Sep 2014 #4

not only govt, but PR folks from all corners... nashville_brook Sep 2014 #7

Can I have a list, please? Or can you at least alert Skinner? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #9

Why would I alert Skinner? As far as I know it is not a TOS violation to work Purveyor Sep 2014 #15

Then can we have a list of who you think works for the government? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #18

Oh yeah, like that is going happen so you can mash on the alert button... Purveyor Sep 2014 #89

Why would I alert on utter hilarity? Look, I quoted Caddyshack to Manny, got hid. msanthrope Sep 2014 #107

Oh, I'd bet a nickle those on the list already have the list Android3.14 Sep 2014 #103

Don't forget Andy823 Sep 2014 #10

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #13

It sort of smells like Jane Hamsher around this time of midterms, doesn't it? LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #24

There are a lot of Rand Paul supporters posting 'secretly' to further their agenda blm Sep 2014 #20

+1 Government, party... woo me with science Sep 2014 #23

There are people who invent conspiracy theories geek tragedy Sep 2014 #117

States that build surveillance machines woo me with science Sep 2014 #2

Thank you. Great post. Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #100

Right. You don't have an opinion. Sounds like you do. randome Sep 2014 #3

I have a feeling my FATCA/Greenwald prediction will be coming true....he's msanthrope Sep 2014 #16

I've been waiting for that hammer to fall, too, since you mentioned it many months ago. randome Sep 2014 #22

Maybe Pierre paid off the liens....but he'll have to file taxes from now on. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #28

Greenwald doesn't screw up to those who worship the ground he walks on? blm Sep 2014 #5

Good post. Andy823 Sep 2014 #17

Now I'm COINTELPRO? Jeebus, where's my check from the NSA? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #6

You should be weirded out. More than that, woo me with science Sep 2014 #8

Woo, if you find DU to be part of the propaganda state, then why are you participating in it? msanthrope Sep 2014 #12

Good question. Andy823 Sep 2014 #21

Especially if they thought the site was infiltrated by the CIA and the like. I mean, really. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #26

Yep Andy823 Sep 2014 #35

Who knew we were that important? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #43

This is where the eyeballs are Fred Friendlier Sep 2014 #69

Love it or leave it? Z_California Sep 2014 #99

this is why i go on about my ignore list bobduca Sep 2014 #111

I just transmitted a super-secret-encrypted message to HQ. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #101

"The eagle has landed, the fat man walks alone!" nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #105

When posting about Greeny we get paid double, the CIA and FBI have him as the greatest threat snooper2 Sep 2014 #77

I haven't gotten a check in over a month! zappaman Sep 2014 #81

When you log into the HR tools click on employee essentials snooper2 Sep 2014 #88

there's a case to be made for not allowing it here Enrique Sep 2014 #11

Interesting. Andy823 Sep 2014 #25

they have banned people for that Enrique Sep 2014 #41

sadly, ad hominem attacks have proven a fairly effective way to divert discussions here KurtNYC Sep 2014 #14

Greenwald is a Libertarian. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #19

"This is a recording." RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #42

As someone posted on another thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #68

Or, there is no conspiracy, and no need to wear tinfoil hats hueymahl Sep 2014 #78

If you think these accusations are unfounded ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #82

And if you do think these accusations were well founded DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #123

ALCOA! FSogol Sep 2014 #27

I am soooo stealing that!!! Of course, the corporatist in me now wants to go buy stocks msanthrope Sep 2014 #30

Just remember, the supporters of the Democratic Party and the Democratic Administration on FSogol Sep 2014 #37

Well, being pro-Obama is a sure sign that you are a paid corporatist. Though what company is paying msanthrope Sep 2014 #112

Greenwald is a proven liar. PROVEN. LIAR. He flat out lied about his partner getting hauled in KittyWampus Sep 2014 #29

O.o daredtowork Sep 2014 #36

He was carrying stolen British Intelligence materials through Britain. Yes....that is a chargeable msanthrope Sep 2014 #50

YOU are the one "framing" things. Greenwald LIED. He unequivocally lied about his partner. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #53

O.o daredtowork Sep 2014 #92

You are the one "slanting" things. Claiming someone is detained without a lawyer KittyWampus Sep 2014 #94

If you were in legal trouble daredtowork Sep 2014 #96

Note the immediate, familiar swarm. woo me with science Sep 2014 #31

Would you kindly identify who you think is part of this swarm? Also, you didn't answer my msanthrope Sep 2014 #34

Swarm defined ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #72

I only see 9 responses Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #40

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #79

Attacking the messenger Aerows Sep 2014 #32

Although I may not hold Greenwald in highest regard, I do not attack the person.......... wandy Sep 2014 #48

Doesn't matter what he did before. What he's doing now is bad. jeff47 Sep 2014 #33

Then that should be the criticism daredtowork Sep 2014 #45

It is the criticism jeff47 Sep 2014 #52

So you can see that overthetop attacks on Greenwald make you instinctively blm Sep 2014 #58

+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Sep 2014 #93

No he's not claiming Khorasan was the justification... KoKo Sep 2014 #65

Try looking at the article in the Intercept. jeff47 Sep 2014 #70

You need to think about the article at the "Intercept" a little more... KoKo Sep 2014 #113

The anti-Greenwald group has been an amazing feature of DU for a year and a bit muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #38

Nothing mysterious about it. randome Sep 2014 #47

Pretty broad brush, m.... blm Sep 2014 #51

I have never noticed you among the "Greenwald is the Antichrist" movement muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #56

I'm not part of either. But, this OP screamed for the logic mirror to be hoisted. blm Sep 2014 #63

Just in case my own politics aren't clear daredtowork Sep 2014 #108

Spot on. Puglover Sep 2014 #59

It's been going on a lot longer than that. Who could forget the thread about Greenwald opposing seaglass Sep 2014 #124

I for one am not attacking Glenn Greenwald............ wandy Sep 2014 #39

Note the names involved. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #44

Yes. And life is too damn short. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #54

+1 Pay attention to the patterns. woo me with science Sep 2014 #61

yes, that is the connection G_j Sep 2014 #67

A fun link to have nearby while watching the show: woo me with science Sep 2014 #83

oh, that is fun G_j Sep 2014 #90

good website. thanks bbgrunt Sep 2014 #114

Patterns, you mean like chemtrails and stuff? LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #76

You got that right! Andy823 Sep 2014 #98

That's exactly what an authoritarian NSA lackey would say to catch us all off guard! randome Sep 2014 #116

K&R 99Forever Sep 2014 #46

I have most of those people on the ignore list, and my DU experience is greatly improved for it. Maedhros Sep 2014 #49

Yes. I kept thinking some would come around. Clearly a fool's errand. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #57

The OP'er's resonse in #36 of this thread proves there is an agenda involved here. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #55

Go back to bed. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #66

Is that simple rudeness, or is there a hidden meaning in that remark? nt MADem Sep 2014 #115

He says that a lot MADem. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #121

Agreed. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #87

You might wanna delete this post, it smells like "disruptive META" to me. MADem Sep 2014 #60

There's one of the odd anti-Greenwald claims - that a writer writing a book for royalties is evil muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #73

No no no--if you are a "reporter" you get paid a salary and you "report." MADem Sep 2014 #75

I thought you had a vague idea of what journalism is about muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #84

But he wasn't freelance. He worked in a salaried position for MADem Sep 2014 #97

Greenwald also took a quarter billion to start a news outlet. So it isn't just about book royalties. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #95

I'm not Defending Greenwald's Current Actions daredtowork Sep 2014 #80

You are accusing DUers of all sorts of horrible things in your OP, though. MADem Sep 2014 #104

I'm Not a Greenwald Partisan daredtowork Sep 2014 #119

I didn't see the OP accusing anyone of what you said. KoKo Sep 2014 #86

Notwithstanding the unintentional Betsy Ross reference, here you go: MADem Sep 2014 #109

It's not me you need to convince about the OP, it's the hosts muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #120

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #62

If Bush was still in the WH, DU would send GG flowers n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #64

In the end, none of it matters. randome Sep 2014 #71

�News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.� Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #74

And Robert Parry. And Michael Moore. It's embarrassing nt Teamster Jeff Sep 2014 #85

NSA trolls? Let them yak... :) Helen Borg Sep 2014 #91

Weirded out by all the support for a Kochs brothers libertarian by supposed progressives. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #102

I like the Greenwald detractors even less than I like Greenwald Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #106

As a Libertarian, this kind of confusion and defending is exactly what Greenwald Tikki Sep 2014 #110

Concerted effort to silence opposition to Big War & The Money Hoarders. Noted by Their silence on grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #118

Greenwald seems to cause a lot of people to become unhinged. The lie that he�s a libertarian is Chathamization Sep 2014 #122

Locking as disruptive meta. cbayer Sep 2014 #125