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sheshe2

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Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:57 AM

Oct 2014

I have no problem with you as a person. I am not really familiar with what you post. i agree with some of what you have said.

Yet...

You are saying.

To me, the larger point is the part about sacrificing one's own moral or ethical code in an attempt to score points and make people believe things they know not to be true. I know there are some on DU who have lied about the President in order to make him look bad. Fuck those people. They're trash. To be perfectly clear, I don't think very many people at DU have done such a thing (aside from the obvious newbie trolls). Anyone else who has is not an honorable person and has no place here.

There is, of course, another side to this coin, and that's the people who lie about Glenn Greenwald (and Snowden too, but he hasn't appeared in this thread). There are lots of us who are solid liberals who really appreciate the work Glenn Greenwald does. He doesn't enjoy the same "protections" on DU that the President does, and so people call him a piece of shit, a libertarian, a liar, and all manner of other things. This is attempted character assassination. This is shameful behavior.

First, yes there are many here on....DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND THAT LOVE TO SCORE POINTS HERE TO DISCREDIT THIS PRESIDENT! Sadly they are not newbie trolls.

and.. sorry gotta laugh here

you said

There are lots of us who are solid liberals who really appreciate the work Glenn Greenwald does. He doesn't enjoy the same "protections" on DU that the President does, and so people call him a piece of shit, a libertarian, a liar, and all manner of other things. This is attempted character assassination.

President Obama has protections here?! Really? OMG! You say Glen is called a piece of shit here?

Lol Hmmm You must have missed those oh so delightful posts here that were rec'ed to the top of the page calling this President just that. Yup a POS. So he gets protection on DU? Sadly no. And a reminder this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. We support Democrats here.

It sure as hell is not GG Underground

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In 2012 the US had a $7 million bounty on the guy Greenwald is claiming Obama invented two weeks ago [View all] geek tragedy Sep 2014 OP

But Greenwald is GOD! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #1

And, gods aren't "medacious hacks"(thanks for the epithet, geek).. Cha Oct 2014 #15

DU rec...bt SidDithers Sep 2014 #2

This is why people have gotta be careful about taking Greenwald's snake oil. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #3

people who are emotionally invested in hating the President consciously decide geek tragedy Sep 2014 #4

And that is why Dems lose elections. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #8

And, this is GG's agenda. Cha Oct 2014 #16

It sure is... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #19

The GG fans project too much. Cha Oct 2014 #39

Ya think~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #44

But snake oil goes down so smooth, and you can rub it on all over Hekate Oct 2014 #35

Yup... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #101

But of course that's not what Greenwald's said. You already know this. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #5

Funny how Greenwald's fans don't read his stuff geek tragedy Oct 2014 #6

I've read every word of it, and your OP is untrue DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #7

GGDS overwhelms reason whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #9

I will bet you have no good explanation for why Greenwald cited Andrew McCarthy's claim geek tragedy Oct 2014 #11

The words are there for everyone to read. I did forget this line of Greenwald's: geek tragedy Oct 2014 #10

Then quote the damned words. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #13

Here, I will quote you nothing but Greenwald's own words. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #17

Tired of your games. Groups aren't individuals. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #25

just like there are people who hate Obama so much they believe that a grand crime against geek tragedy Oct 2014 #30

Don't expect a rational explanation from Greenwald fans, geek. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #79

Just think about this for a second, and no don't get mad at me. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #38

+1000000000000000000... SidDithers Oct 2014 #48

I get it. I really do. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #49

K... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #65

I didn't miss Will Pitt's post, and you can take that up with him (again) DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #71

"It sure as hell is not GG Underground " MohRokTah Oct 2014 #98

well done sheshe flamingdem Oct 2014 #55

Know what bothers me? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #61

+1000! Puglover Oct 2014 #120

Excellent analysis. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #66

Well that's just a silly word game you're playing now. cui bono Oct 2014 #76

Actually Andy823 Oct 2014 #109

You are conflating hate with criticism. cui bono Oct 2014 #118

No I am not. Andy823 Oct 2014 #128

Very well done, she. It needed to be said. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #80

*Applause* LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #100

+100,000,000,000... nt Andy823 Oct 2014 #104

+10000000000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #42

It's exactly what FOX news does AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #64

You're right, and it's deplorable to see it here. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #67

Fail. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #68

FAIL AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #69

Those same people also don't understand that people of varying/differing political cui bono Oct 2014 #75

People who approach everything in terms of personalities imagine QC Oct 2014 #103

What are you gonna believe, Greenwald or your lyin' eyes? brush Oct 2014 #111

One more iteration of seemingly endless repetition DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #113

Talk about seemingly endless repetition . . . brush Oct 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 2014 #117

Mendacity? Lying? Please do proceed. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #119

God! Not you � Greenwald. nt brush Oct 2014 #122

"There are serious questions about whether the Khorasan Group even exists . . . " n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #47

Who is the GUY Greenwald claims doesn't exist? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #50

It is that hard when they are intentionally trying to be deceptive LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #126

I don't think we are supposed to notice that. zeemike Oct 2014 #51

Expose the lie and they just double down on it Vattel Oct 2014 #88

Good God LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #124

"...seemingly out of nowhere..." randome Oct 2014 #96

Looks like it's the Greenwald-as-Libertarian crowd MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #18

I quoted it extensively. But, if you agree with Glenn Greenwald geek tragedy Oct 2014 #21

McCarthy is certainly an expert on Terra! Terra! MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #40

MCarthy's book is titled "Building the political case for Obama's Impeachment" geek tragedy Oct 2014 #46

What, in your quotes, comports MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #58

"white nationalist" is the term of art, Manny. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #91

So Greenwald's a White Nationalist? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #110

Did you read the parts about "hordes" geek tragedy Oct 2014 #112

I also read the part about... MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #131

Stuff Glenn Greenwald says: geek tragedy Oct 2014 #133

I would say that someone who used the word "hordes" to describe msanthrope Oct 2014 #116

Not to mention Greenwald saying that Mexicans are culturally geek tragedy Oct 2014 #134

That's all about the group. Where does he say Union Scribe Oct 2014 #73

The title of his article was "the fake terror threat used to justify bombing syria" geek tragedy Oct 2014 #89

Or maybe he was "aware"? He knows there's a certain element who will believe anything Cha Oct 2014 #12

The difference is, Greenwald has yet to be caught in a lie. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #28

He claimed Obama 'concoctred' the Khorosan group to provide legal justification geek tragedy Oct 2014 #52

My goodness, the contortions! elias49 Oct 2014 #54

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #57

+10000000000 RandiFan1290 Oct 2014 #85

So true, and this is not a recent development. n/t QC Oct 2014 #90

It did not cite it in it's legal justification. zeemike Oct 2014 #60

It also means he's not much of a journalist. randome Oct 2014 #97

This has already been debunked and explained to you in another thread. cui bono Oct 2014 #78

Looking every where for a mention of the Khorasan Group. Not finding it. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #14

Greenwald is saying the entire terror threat and the existence of the group geek tragedy Oct 2014 #22

I've got nothing but sympathy for you. Really. You can't fill Prosense's shoes. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #37

The title of his article was "the fake terror threat used to justify bombing syria" geek tragedy Oct 2014 #41

They'll never get it.. it must be strange to stick ones head in the sand and keep repeating Cha Oct 2014 #63

Exactly! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #70

LOL!!! Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #94

lol Marr Oct 2014 #123

GG is a dumba$$ winger and his fans can't handle that.. so they try using what they think are Cha Oct 2014 #43

$$$$$$$$$GG$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #53

I do too, she.. and you can tell how effective she was by Cha Oct 2014 #56

Glad to see DU is returning to its Democratic roots. ;-) BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #81

"Nothing in this post goes against Democrats and the Alerter, clearly a GG fan, needs to grow a Cha Oct 2014 #82

You know me too well, Cha. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #83

I didn't know Cha Oct 2014 #84

the whole "controversy" is like Benghazi JI7 Oct 2014 #20

Your hatred of GG has warped your thinking AZ Progressive Oct 2014 #23

he is the guy we bombed, right? Greenwald is claiming there was no terrorist threat or need geek tragedy Oct 2014 #24

GG's hate is warping his thinking. Cha Oct 2014 #62

Greenwald claims Obama invented this guy? progressoid Oct 2014 #26

Greenwald is saying this was a scam, sham, concoction, and fake by the US government. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #27

Your story changes and changes the further one reads down the thread. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #29

Greenwald is saying there was no terrorist threat in that area. that Obama's claim that there were geek tragedy Oct 2014 #31

Greenwald said there was no terrorist threat in that area? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #33

"The Fake Terror Threat Used To Justify Bombing Syria" was the title geek tragedy Oct 2014 #36

no terrorist threat "in that area" Laughing Mirror Oct 2014 #86

Where the US bombed "Khorosan"--he referred to Khorosan as a "fake terror threat" geek tragedy Oct 2014 #92

A fake terror threat for whom? Laughing Mirror Oct 2014 #115

I'm noticing that as well. nt Union Scribe Oct 2014 #74

So the title of your OP is also a concoction. progressoid Oct 2014 #32

Greenwald is denying that there was any kind of terrorist threat in the area. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #34

Perhaps that should be the title of the thread progressoid Oct 2014 #45

Not what he said at all. Marr Oct 2014 #125

No, he doesn't. n/t cui bono Oct 2014 #77

Good research and find on Al-Fadhli flamingdem Oct 2014 #59

Why the lie? quakerboy Oct 2014 #72

It's all they've got. Scuba Oct 2014 #87

he said there was no terror threat, period geek tragedy Oct 2014 #95

No. You're still factually wrong. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #99

+1 leftstreet Oct 2014 #107

O/U for Rec's for this thread is 27.5 Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #93

Considering the post has been up for 11 hours with 25 recs davidpdx Oct 2014 #102

Bottom line is Andy823 Oct 2014 #105

The facts are all over the thread LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #127

No those are "your" facts Andy823 Oct 2014 #129

Oh Goody!!!! bvar22 Oct 2014 #130

OK Andy823 Oct 2014 #138

LOL LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #137

*Official Meta Statistician* Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #108

kick for truth Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #106

Email Glenn Greenwald at this address: MineralMan Oct 2014 #121

Greenwald and his naive fans never let facts get in the way tabasco Oct 2014 #132

*Who* doesn't care about facts? Marr Oct 2014 #135

nice summation Vattel Oct 2014 #136

Yep. QC Oct 2014 #139