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liberalmuse

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57. If he used the restroom...

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 03:12 PM

Oct 2014

and did not thoroughly wash his hands (at the very least, 1 minute soaping up and rinsing with hot water - how many people do this?), and someone with a cut came in contact with the faucet handles or door handle, then I imagine they could get infected. Our bodily fluids are in more places than we'd like to think. He could have rubbed his eye or wiped his mouth with his hand and touched a chair handle or magazine. Some people are overreacting, but others are just as bad by suggesting you'd have to roll around in a bucket of an infected person's mucus before getting infected, when obviously this isn't true. Even doctors who have taken precautions have become infected, so it's not really out of line to worry that he may have infected others.

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The scariest thing about the Ebola in Dallas? The infected person had symptoms for 4 days before [View all] boomer55 Oct 2014 OP

So what is being asked is how many people rubbed their nose Control-Z Oct 2014 #1

If he sneezed into the air Generic Other Oct 2014 #2

If I skinned my knee and he rubbed his sweaty body on the abrasion, that might work. uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

CDC says otherwise. boomer55 Oct 2014 #6

As I said, sneezed jucily in my face. nt uppityperson Oct 2014 #18

Hence, bodily fluid exchange. Control-Z Oct 2014 #19

At a school? Sneezes spread germs constantly Generic Other Oct 2014 #73

Also... pipi_k Oct 2014 #74

This thread makes me queasy Generic Other Oct 2014 #75

After might be better, Jamastiene Oct 2014 #133

That's exactly how it happens. Easy peasy. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #154

If he used the restroom... liberalmuse Oct 2014 #57

Which leads me to research how long the virus can live outside the body with answers.... uppityperson Oct 2014 #59

Ebola is not spread by aerosols (coughing, sneezing) LeftyMom Oct 2014 #5

See above for cdc info on sneezing n coughing boomer55 Oct 2014 #8

You're misreading that. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #13

How could he be misreading it when he quoted it directly from cdc? LisaL Oct 2014 #14

You need real information from credible sources like the WHO boomer55 Oct 2014 #15

Direct physical contact. Not sneezing. It's not aerosol transmissible and its's not in lung tissue. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #16

Are you being obtuse on purpose? boomer55 Oct 2014 #17

i think you should volunteer to be sent to liberia, immediately. You know how to beat that virus! librechik Oct 2014 #38

You seem unfamiliar with the concept of fomites, which can transmit ebola if contaminated by kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #78

seriously? this is true? boomer55 Oct 2014 #115

Kestrel's a vet Aerows Oct 2014 #118

damn..... boomer55 Oct 2014 #121

Fomite Aerows Oct 2014 #129

Google: fomite(s)..................... kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #150

Thanks for being an incredible source of knowledge Aerows Oct 2014 #125

Thank you. I'm just trying to correct as much misinformation as possible. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #151

I am reading it quite plainly Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #28

I concur. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #53

I still am hoping they will get a handle on this thing in Africa. So many people have died. Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #136

Ebola is spread by ALL bodily fluids: kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #77

It's more than theoretically possible. Step 1, someone forcefully sneezes pnwmom Oct 2014 #132

The scariest part is no one at the hospital followed procedure. He was supposed to have been asked pnwmom Oct 2014 #23

He was asked and he said he came from west Africa. morningfog Oct 2014 #51

How many people came into contact with his fluids in the ambulance pnwmom Oct 2014 #131

Pretty sure sneezing transmits it and it lives for awhile outside the host boomer55 Oct 2014 #4

Which is why he is on 2 types of isolation rainbow4321 Oct 2014 #11

But he was sent home with symptoms because no one asked him if he'd been traveling. pnwmom Oct 2014 #24

They asked, he told, they proceeded to ignore him. Yup, best medical system in the world. Uh huh. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #79

sneezing video in slow motion.... boomer55 Oct 2014 #22

Even if he managed to transmit it to people he was in contact with Duer 157099 Oct 2014 #7

He was sent home WITH SYMPTOMS, so he had at least two days of possibly transmitting it pnwmom Oct 2014 #25

I understand that Duer 157099 Oct 2014 #30

Now they're saying he may have infected 12 - 18 people -- because the stupid hospital screwed up. pnwmom Oct 2014 #32

Wow. I haven't seen that 12-18 figure deutsey Oct 2014 #58

It's in most of the articles by now, but here: pnwmom Oct 2014 #61

Thanks. The only number I had heard was for the children deutsey Oct 2014 #62

They aren't confirmed infected since are in incubation period and testing won't show anything. uppityperson Oct 2014 #64

Correct. They were exposed -- so only possibly infected. Hopefully no one was. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #140

Cdc on tv said transmission was Sancho Oct 2014 #139

If none of the kids have symptoms, they would not have exposed anyone else yet. Only after showing uppityperson Oct 2014 #141

Yea...on CNN they tried to pin the doctor from CDC down on exactly WHEN you could pass it on... Sancho Oct 2014 #147

Speaking as a veterinarian with a microbiology degree, out of an abundance of caution, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #156

I don't think our for profit health care gives a sht. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #60

I think that's the weakest link in our system, right there deutsey Oct 2014 #63

He had FOUR days to spread it - Sep 24-28. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #80

I heard an intake nurse did not relay to the drs. the fact there was recent travel to Liberia though lunasun Oct 2014 #109

And the irony is the hospital had just had a training session about Ebola. Apparently it didn't work pnwmom Oct 2014 #111

Oh that I did not know. Only takes one brain dead ER employee to set unaware Ebola out lunasun Oct 2014 #114

Also the cdc says the virus has a long shelf life outside the host boomer55 Oct 2014 #9

OH SHIT. I was wondering about that and that is very bad news. Do you have the link? SHIT. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #81

And people that get well from it Aerows Oct 2014 #91

Well fuckety fuck. I had heard THREE MONTHS for the sperm but I didn't hear about the vaginal fluids kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #92

The thing is Aerows Oct 2014 #93

I cringe when I hear the head of the CDC saying it can't happen here. LIKE HELL IT CAN'T. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #95

I know. Aerows Oct 2014 #98

Yep. Absolutely horrifying. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #105

It really couldn't happen here, not without shitloads of bad luck and incompetence, anyway..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #106

Unfortunately n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #116

The good news is, it does seem that the CDC's trying to keep on top of things. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #117

AJ90, I have a rather bad feeling about the way Aerows Oct 2014 #119

"but it seems as though everyone is looking at this at the wrong end of the telescope." Could you... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #120

Viewing things from a telescope Aerows Oct 2014 #122

I think I see what you're getting at. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #124

Oh, no doubt Aerows Oct 2014 #126

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." As they say. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #157

Not necessarily. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #158

Here's how it happens: scared exposed people like Duncan lying to airport screeners in Liberia to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #153

I *did* mention hospital incompetence, though, didn't I? AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #155

+1 exactly From the hedging Ebola would burn it self out at the beginning of it spreading lunasun Oct 2014 #113

To be fair, I recall the CDC saying an outbreak like is occurring in WAfrica can't happen here, not uppityperson Oct 2014 #142

dang didnt know that. boomer55 Oct 2014 #102

We are screwn then. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #135

here is one boomer55 Oct 2014 #101

Thanks. And this response there is scary: kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #107

Did the patient tell the medics on the 26th he was just in the hot zone? seveneyes Oct 2014 #10

We don't know. LisaL Oct 2014 #12

They didn't ask and he didn't tell. The hospital made a grave mistake. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #33

Worse. They asked, he told, they ignored the significance. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #82

I've been told it can be transmitted with sweat... Even a sweaty high five. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #20

Told by who? Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #29

Probable, actually BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #36

Again, avoid close contact with sweaty sick people Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #39

I understand that BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #40

Getting ebola from a sweaty high five Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #42

Contact with sweat BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #49

True. In the event it is an epidemic locally, avoid bodily contact like high fives and handshakes... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #52

Handshakes are bad news Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #56

I surely hope you are being sarcastic. n/t Avalux Oct 2014 #65

The very second I hear of a contact being present in SoCal, let alone a confirmed case, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #85

West Africans know otherwise. Really, this dangerous disinformation you are spreading must stop. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #84

I give up Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #145

People who don't know a damned thing about virology and epidemiology but who go around giving kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #159

"Handshaking is no longer practiced". Hugging and kissing is practiced as the cultural norm uppityperson Oct 2014 #148

No, it isn't Aerows Oct 2014 #94

Again Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #144

Microscopic breaks in the skin are sufficient for transmission of all microbial diseases I know of kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #160

A producer for medical TV news who was investigating it. Note: it is believed that grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #47

Not trying to rag on you Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #54

Fever is s symptom. It's the first, and can start out looking like any other garden variety bug. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #86

We'll find out in a few weeks how many people, if any, this guy infected.... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #137

He lied to the Liberian screeners at the airport there. Then his family kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #152

CDC. Virus is found in all bodily fluids including sweat. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #83

the most disturbing aspect of this story to me, is that he was sent home cali Oct 2014 #21

^^this^^^ logosoco Oct 2014 #27

He didn't lie. The hospital acknowledged they didn't ask. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #34

Wow. It seems like that would be kind of standard. logosoco Oct 2014 #43

It's even worse. His sister says he told them he was visiting from Liberia when they asked for pnwmom Oct 2014 #44

They did ask. he told. And then they ignored what he said. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #87

we know how he got it TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #143

Yes, then was in contact with the general population for 4 days, grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #55

The thing is, Control-Z Oct 2014 #76

I don't know, but I think he should release his name and GPS log. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #138

So you really think banning flight from those countries yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #26

Context Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #37

None of those are increasing exponentially. Ebola is. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #88

It's increasing, but not exponentially. Let's try to stay realistic here..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #108

Well then, by all means Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #146

OMG OMG OMG OMGOMGOMGOGOMGOMGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111 uppityperson Oct 2014 #149

the ambulance crew will not have infected anybody magical thyme Oct 2014 #31

His children were exposed and presumably they were going to school. pnwmom Oct 2014 #35

highly unlikely. the worst case incubation period would end on the 26th. magical thyme Oct 2014 #41

You're assuming he went to the hospital on the first day he had symptoms. I'm not. pnwmom Oct 2014 #45

no I am not. His 1st day of symptoms was the 24th according to all reports magical thyme Oct 2014 #50

His first day of symptoms was the 23rd according to this report: pnwmom Oct 2014 #68

he left Liberia on he 19th. He arrived in Dallas on the 20th. magical thyme Oct 2014 #69

How do we know they weren't in school on the 29th? B2G Oct 2014 #66

we don't know it for a fact. But Ebola was suspected on the 28th magical thyme Oct 2014 #67

You're assuming they had been identified as having contact B2G Oct 2014 #70

an announcement earlier today did make it sound like someone else probably has it magical thyme Oct 2014 #71

Please remain calm until we are all dead, thank you. Rex Oct 2014 #46

Yep. I swear they WANT people to underestimate it and then die. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #89

Vegas odds compel me to reserve much more concern about being hit while on my bicycle commute... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #48

Sad that we can look at the poor state of medicine in Africa as a cause of the spread bhikkhu Oct 2014 #72

Even the second time he went to the hospital, his friend had to call CDC and tell them LisaL Oct 2014 #97

He was uninsured Warpy Oct 2014 #90

He is still infectious whether he has insurance or not. LisaL Oct 2014 #96

I suppose they didn't see beyond the word "uninsured." Warpy Oct 2014 #100

Another problem Aerows Oct 2014 #99

Now possible in Honolulu boomer55 Oct 2014 #103

At least they are being proactive and educating the staff and precautions being taken lunasun Oct 2014 #110

I was listening to a story on NPR from Africa about the people who remove the bodies of mucifer Oct 2014 #104

What's dangerous about this politically customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #112

It's a political disaster all right - for Perry. HIS state's doctors and nurses apparently kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #161

and now they're scrambling to reach passengers on the plane he was on. boomer55 Oct 2014 #123

Combatting the biological, contaminated waste Aerows Oct 2014 #127

Guess this gives new meaning to the tired over used cliche "Don't mess with Texas". gordianot Oct 2014 #128

it's how people with no insurance are "treated" Skittles Oct 2014 #130

Pretty much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #134