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vi5

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46. Still...

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 05:52 PM

Oct 2014

There are many elements to ones culture that stick with people for a long time. My wife's family has been in the US for over 30 years but they still have many assorted beliefs/prejudices/skewed views on things from their country of origin, and they are well educated folks. So depending on ones background and education, etc. it could still impact how he handled the situation, whereas if he were an American living for decades under our panic driven 24 hour news culture he might have been more aware and/or forceful in how he handled the situation. By comparison I'm sure hospitals are going to be flooded with born and raised Americans who have come nowhere near in contact with Ebola in any way, who are going to be flooding hospitals and doctors offices with imagined cases of ebola because of the slightest, most tangential connection to something.

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Here's how Thomas Duncan, the Dallas ebola patient contracted the virus: Direct contact [View all] cali Oct 2014 OP

He had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15 seveneyes Oct 2014 #1

He says he told the hospital, they admit the info wasn't passed through their system as it should uppityperson Oct 2014 #2

he merely answered screening question he was in hot spot. never saying, he was in contact with a seabeyond Oct 2014 #9

As direct contact with Ebola patient, he should have been traveling to begin with. LisaL Oct 2014 #88

Well, he was, like you said he should have been. And? uppityperson Oct 2014 #106

Get this: On the 25th his "his condition did not warrant admission" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #135

At this point, fuck the insurance companies. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #144

He told the triage nurse: Avalux Oct 2014 #4

If he told her his contact with an ebola patient and that didn't cali Oct 2014 #7

per article, it appears he merely answered the question he was in a hot spot. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #11

I don't think we have that important piece of information. Avalux Oct 2014 #12

He might be one of the fools who thinks ebola isn't real. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #74

That is the first thought that crossed my mind. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #140

When this goes airborne... greytdemocrat Oct 2014 #43

Viruses generally don't mutate that way. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #54

Um, I think they do. caseymoz Oct 2014 #79

Has never happened with all viruses we know of JaneyVee Oct 2014 #81

Happened with bubonic plague spinbaby Oct 2014 #82

But hasn't happened to any virus we know of. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #100

Yet he didn't mention he was helping to carry a dying EBOLA victim? seveneyes Oct 2014 #16

We don't know he was intentionally spreading Ebola. Avalux Oct 2014 #19

they took a sick girl to the hospital for ebola and there was no room. then he proceeded to seabeyond Oct 2014 #21

Do you understand why Ebola is spreading so quickly in parts of Africa? Avalux Oct 2014 #27

it is learning the process, hence NOT being unaware on how it works and having a fuggin discussion seabeyond Oct 2014 #28

i want to know, once the triage nurse found out it a possibility, ... why she was seabeyond Oct 2014 #30

What if the nurse was geographically challenged? Avalux Oct 2014 #33

since all the hospitals have supposedly educated the workers, and they are the first defense... seabeyond Oct 2014 #35

Negligence, whether intentional or not. Avalux Oct 2014 #38

i have been mostly using urgent care. pretty calm. i had to use an emergency room about a month ago seabeyond Oct 2014 #41

Is that hospital a level 1 trauma center? Avalux Oct 2014 #51

i am talking my recent experience in er in my area. not that hospital in particular. seabeyond Oct 2014 #59

Maybe she entered the information on her computing device... MohRokTah Oct 2014 #39

thought of first case ever. you betcha if i were the nurse, i would be telling everyone seabeyond Oct 2014 #45

But didn't she ask him the original 'hot spot' question? leftstreet Oct 2014 #40

this is where i sit. if i asked, and he gave me liberia. i would all be YIKES... stepping back. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #47

There's conflicting info from what I've read. Avalux Oct 2014 #48

because we in the u.s. have heard enough about it. it is on everyones radar in the u.s. seabeyond Oct 2014 #57

He had a passport Aerows Oct 2014 #111

Give me a break! This is a guy who flies back and forth from Liberia to the US, ecstatic Oct 2014 #92

It was his 1st trip to the USA. If you care. uppityperson Oct 2014 #137

Which means he shouldn't have been allowed to fly. No one who was exposed to him pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

+1. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #61

He was not contagious when he flew. And yes, they do screen people flying out of Liberia and he uppityperson Oct 2014 #62

Doesn't matter. None of the Texans who are being observed now are thought to be contagious pnwmom Oct 2014 #64

if you had a way out of Liberia right now VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #70

Only if someone is a contaminating, murderous and selfish POS seveneyes Oct 2014 #80

If someone is traumatized from what they have seen already? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #104

Even on DU. eom uppityperson Oct 2014 #105

They should be observing those people the same way they are observing them here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #103

Did you read this article on hospital conditions there? Have you a clue what the societal uppityperson Oct 2014 #108

+1 n/t Adsos Letter Oct 2014 #153

Thank you. Best wishes for Mr Duncan, his family and friends. uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

so. he was well aware that is what he had, the seriousness, and that the person died, seabeyond Oct 2014 #5

Apparently, he did tell triage. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #8

she asked if he had been to any of the locations. he said yes. BIG difference than saying 10 days seabeyond Oct 2014 #13

We don't know what he said specifically. herding cats Oct 2014 #17

from all the reports to this point, it has consistently been said, triage nurse asked the question seabeyond Oct 2014 #23

then again... facing a horrible disease, death he just watched, denial is powerful. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #24

Isn't that the truth. herding cats Oct 2014 #37

But he got on the plane, knowing that the woman he assisted had died of Ebola on the 16th. pnwmom Oct 2014 #58

we don't know if he told her/him about his close contact with a very ill ebola patient cali Oct 2014 #10

true. cause i am on the otherside saying... seabeyond Oct 2014 #14

He knew what he had but took a commercial flight home (genius!)... 951-Riverside Oct 2014 #31

No need to be angry at this man. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #44

they knew enough to take her to ebola hospital. and you are right. we do not know how educated seabeyond Oct 2014 #49

Ebola hospital? They took her to the only real hospital in the entire country! Barack_America Oct 2014 #141

Since he wasn't sick when he flew, he didn't "know what he had" and even on that flight, no uppityperson Oct 2014 #55

Why are you upset? FrodosPet Oct 2014 #68

At this point I'm thinking a 21 day quarantine before being cleared to travel to the US from West kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #75

What about from the USA from Europe? uppityperson Oct 2014 #110

That's why international travelers are supposed to have passports with visa stamps. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #116

kestrel says 3 weeks before coming into the USA, are you saying mandatory holding for 3 weeks uppityperson Oct 2014 #119

I'm saying we should do as other countries have & ban all travel from the 3 major affected nations Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #120

Problem is no direct flights, and passport may not be stamped. Ban all travel into USA? uppityperson Oct 2014 #122

Why bring a red herring into it (ie "ban all travel into USA") Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #124

"ban all travel from the 3 major affected nations". There are not direct flights. Passports may not uppityperson Oct 2014 #127

You're right. I guess it's totally completely impossible and undoable. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #128

I don't know anything about what you mean with S Africa. i'd like to see money put into uppityperson Oct 2014 #130

And to frame that as a dichotomy is false, as well. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #131

What additional restrictions? How? I do not mean dichotomous, simply saying what I wish. uppityperson Oct 2014 #132

I think probably a combination of travel monitoring, additional screening, passport restriction Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #133

Flying in August, 2 Euro airports and a USA one all had signs about ebola at screening and uppityperson Oct 2014 #136

As I said upthread, I have a sneaking suspicion Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #139

true CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #150

Welcome to DU!!! gopiscrap Oct 2014 #154

If we do have actual Ebola outbreaks in the US that start to get out of hand, Jamastiene Oct 2014 #145

America is affected now. Ban all flights to and from America? Please, you are not being rational. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #85

No, assuming they keep this one case contained, like they eventually got in contained in Nigeria Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #115

Naaah--just Texas (/snark). nt MADem Oct 2014 #129

Damn, we're in agreement. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #114

He should have demanded they keep him overnight for observation, imo Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #6

I doubt an average Liberian citizen would do that in a US hospital. Avalux Oct 2014 #22

Just fyi, English is the official and most spoken language of Liberia. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #36

That's good to know, I admit I did not. Avalux Oct 2014 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Oct 2014 #95

he should have immediately quarantined himself magical thyme Oct 2014 #15

From my admittedly minimal understanding of this issue/disease/etc. vi5 Oct 2014 #18

I think he may be an American, not only because of his name, but this: magical thyme Oct 2014 #26

Still... vi5 Oct 2014 #46

They mixed up some information about his son with him muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #72

Uggh. Maybe he really was clueless ecstatic Oct 2014 #98

Liberia was founded by freed American slaves. American names are the norm there as a result. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #76

I found later in the linked post that he was born in Liberia, but attended high school and magical thyme Oct 2014 #77

Not quite. It was colonized by them but already had many different peoples there. uppityperson Oct 2014 #112

Certainly he shouldn't have been flying to another country. LisaL Oct 2014 #90

He has children and other family here magical thyme Oct 2014 #93

Idiots like this is probably why we should cut off flights from Liberia... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #20

Not going to do a whole lot of good davidn3600 Oct 2014 #25

Then, screen them out. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #29

So you want to punish a nation of 4 million people MohRokTah Oct 2014 #50

It wouldn't be punishing them to ask a screening question at the airport check-in. pnwmom Oct 2014 #65

Precautions didn't work with this guy, who was asymptomatic when he boarded. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #66

But nobody on the plane caught Ebola. eom MohRokTah Oct 2014 #69

Punish? Are we beating the fuck out of the English language now? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #86

Yes, the same way those nations themselves have "punished" the affected counties with quarantine. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #126

What about CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #151

I agree Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #32

That's the problem. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #34

Interesting point Generic Other Oct 2014 #53

he'd been there for 2 years, so he traveled there to live before it was a hot zone. magical thyme Oct 2014 #56

Ignorance does not = being an idiot and way to insult a large number of people uppityperson Oct 2014 #60

Bullshit. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #107

Then why the fuck have they been murdering health care providers there? Ignorance. uppityperson Oct 2014 #109

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #121

Insulting ignorant fearful people and a whole continent as "weapons grade stupid". Incredible. uppityperson Oct 2014 #123

This is why we have passport control at airports AngryAmish Oct 2014 #63

Right. Customs will make sure you're not bringing a bag of pot in your luggage. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #125

Good point. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #149

So is his family quarantined? madville Oct 2014 #67

Close enough contact for bodily fluid exchange. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #71

They said on NPR that everyone in the emergency room waiting room... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #87

Per his neighbor, he was puking all over the place before being loaded into an ambulance. LisaL Oct 2014 #147

No. Quarantine is imprisonment of a sort. They are told to stay home, stay inside, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #78

Just reported a second person is suspected of being infected madville Oct 2014 #83

No shock there. He probably infected everyone in the home. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #96

Frightened people will be the death of us all. Those I agree that those who know better but are uppityperson Oct 2014 #113

He knew he was exposed. He fled to America. He got a fever and waited 2 days before kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #73

Patrick Sawyer flew to Nigeria even though his sister died of Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #146

Science facts take all of the fun out of the fear mongering. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #84

Seriously? LisaL Oct 2014 #89

Exactly. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #91

Something tells me they were a lot more aggressive than the US seems to be in ecstatic Oct 2014 #101

Yes, I believe they put them in quarantine in some special places. LisaL Oct 2014 #102

Right, after how many secondary and tertiary infections- due to one index patient? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #118

And about half of them died, I believe. LisaL Oct 2014 #148

The hospital was more than stupid... Sancho Oct 2014 #94

It's even worse. LisaL Oct 2014 #97

oh hell... Sancho Oct 2014 #99

"I dont care what he's got, since he doesn't have $$$$$INSURANCE!!!!$$$$$$$$" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #117

Oh, boy. "Dallas Ebola patient vomited outside apartment on way to hospital" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #134

so he lied when he was aksed in liberia if he has been in contact with anyone underthematrix Oct 2014 #138

Thanks for posting this, Cali. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #142

He KNEW he was in jeopardy of contracting Ebola, and YET HE GOT ON A PLANE. HE ASSOCIATED WITH CHIL- WinkyDink Oct 2014 #143

I truly believe DU represents the best of America... liberalmuse Oct 2014 #152