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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: U.S. manufactured militant threat as pretext to bomb Syria [View all]wandy
(3,539 posts)100. Well, a man sees what he wants to see and I'm still seeing the media as the problem......
I think we as humans with the encouragement of the PTB would like things to look something like this (sorry haven't figured out how to get DU to not strip spaces)
DECLAIR 1 al-BADGUY_OTHER,
. 2 ISIS,
. 2 al-QAEDA,
. . 3 KHORASAN,
. ... 4 MUSHIN_ al-FADHLI,
Now we have a nice orderly structure and we can locate any item in that structure as a displacement off al-BADGUY_OTHER.
Darn does that look wrong with out indentation.
Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. And all manner of difficulties arise when we try to see it that way. A bit of information is given to a reporter and then the nasty processes of force fitting it into a structure acceptable to the advertisers, the owners, the government, the stakeholders and a population willing to read not much further than the headline begins.
Lets just look at the name. At some point in time it was likely "some bunch of guys in Harold hum Syria".
That would hardly work for a news report and work even less for military planning. Even if an attempt were made to use a name with a historical and geographical reference the name Khorasan was likely pulled out of some bureaucrats thin air.
Consider, by what name were the Bundy Cow-Pie Vigilantes known before I stuck them with that handle.
Then we come to the problem of 'strange people in faraway lands. No matter how many times we are told that the "Islamic State", if that is what the wish to call themselves (see naming problems above) is not representative off all Islam, the aforementioned readers of headlines only will see it that they are.
Even if the news originations were honest they would still have to play to the lowest common denominator.
The news originations are not honest.
I begin to wonder if the RW spin machine has the right idea. Make it fit on a bumper sticker...
ISIS BAD Impeach them.
Obama BAD invade him.
Or something like that.
Now let me throw a curve.
What in all hell are we doing in Syria?
We worry that if we rout ISIS from Iraq they will take safe harbor in Syria.
But we do not like Syria. We do not like Assad. We do not like Putin.
Think of ISIS like they were mice. It is the time of year when mice realize your house is warmer than outside and come in.
If you did not like your neighbor and found a way to have your mice infest that neighbor, why would you rid his home of mice for him.
Why worry about Syria and just give Assad and Putin all the IsisMices they can play with.
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Glenn Greenwald: U.S. manufactured militant threat as pretext to bomb Syria [View all]
DonViejo
Sep 2014
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Terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of TV
J_J_
Sep 2014
#21
Yeah, don't trust what Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have to say about ISIS..
Cha
Sep 2014
#25
Well, I don't believe your theory about Ferguson.. AG Holder is on that. I trust Bernie, Elizabeth,
Cha
Oct 2014
#79
Yeah, they kind of appeared out of nowhere and suddenly became the 'greatest threat
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#41
Damn GG, you've entered Alex Jones territory. Has he written about Russia's encroachment?
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#2
And his internet denizens wait for every pearl that falls from that swine's lips. It's what they do.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#22
Fuck Libertarians, and the selfish, money grubbing, dope smokin' boat they rode in on.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#31
"This black or white, us or them way of looking at the world or people in it is so 2001."
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#39
Yes, fact or fiction! This was a perfect example of the difference. Thanks for pointing it
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#50
You mean AQ still exists? I was just told on DU that 'AQ no longer exists' because
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#43
Wow! Thanks Ruby. I would like to know since when is wanting to stop all these
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#49
Lol, I've been called a lot of things, but RW is a new one! Thank you taking the trouble to read
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#104
Lol, I don't help Right Wing propaganda machines stay on the air. I remember when
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#120
I agree that starving the beast of any legitimate left voices was and still is the best approach.
bobduca
Oct 2014
#121
Lol! Not only does he not 'get' your odd opinion, the more he is attacked, the more
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#44
I'm talking about poor journalism not whether the bombing is the right thing to do
brush
Oct 2014
#66
They've turned the Bogeyman-of-the-day threat up to 11 too many times. Go for 12.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2014
#6
No one believes anything anymore. That is what happens when people are lied to
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#45
Well, divide and conquer is a given. Us versus Them. It's learned at an early age.
valerief
Sep 2014
#33
Maybe Glenn would like to travel to Iraq and Syria to "report" on this first hand?
George II
Sep 2014
#12
He should make a "First Look" movie, and call it..."Desperately Seeking Hits".
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#26
and those making the ad homs project their own "messenger not message" onto others
KurtNYC
Sep 2014
#30
They're always the same too, childish, without any substance. I remember the exact same
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#57
Never forget that Assad and Putin are the "good guys" in Greenwald's universe....
Blue_Tires
Sep 2014
#37
By that standard Greenwald supports Ebola. He's never commented on that either
riderinthestorm
Oct 2014
#80
That's pretty desperate. There are three superpowers in the world. Any political journalist who has
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#106
Thanks Koko, I wondered how long it would be before someone tried to discredit Democracy Now
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#115
Well, a man sees what he wants to see and I'm still seeing the media as the problem......
wandy
Oct 2014
#100
You're certainly right about our media. Which is why most of us here turned to more credible
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#131
A lot to consider here. One of my problems is I do not have a 'trusted source'.............
wandy
Oct 2014
#132
Here's a simple question for you. For how long have you been aware of either ISIS and/or
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#134