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150. Google: fomite(s).....................

Thu Oct 2, 2014, 05:03 PM

Oct 2014

we learned all about fomites and their role in infectious diseases waaaaaaaayyyy back when I was an undergrad studying MICROBIOLOGY. In 1976.

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The scariest thing about the Ebola in Dallas? The infected person had symptoms for 4 days before [View all] boomer55 Oct 2014 OP

So what is being asked is how many people rubbed their nose Control-Z Oct 2014 #1

If he sneezed into the air Generic Other Oct 2014 #2

If I skinned my knee and he rubbed his sweaty body on the abrasion, that might work. uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

CDC says otherwise. boomer55 Oct 2014 #6

As I said, sneezed jucily in my face. nt uppityperson Oct 2014 #18

Hence, bodily fluid exchange. Control-Z Oct 2014 #19

At a school? Sneezes spread germs constantly Generic Other Oct 2014 #73

Also... pipi_k Oct 2014 #74

This thread makes me queasy Generic Other Oct 2014 #75

After might be better, Jamastiene Oct 2014 #133

That's exactly how it happens. Easy peasy. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #154

If he used the restroom... liberalmuse Oct 2014 #57

Which leads me to research how long the virus can live outside the body with answers.... uppityperson Oct 2014 #59

Ebola is not spread by aerosols (coughing, sneezing) LeftyMom Oct 2014 #5

See above for cdc info on sneezing n coughing boomer55 Oct 2014 #8

You're misreading that. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #13

How could he be misreading it when he quoted it directly from cdc? LisaL Oct 2014 #14

You need real information from credible sources like the WHO boomer55 Oct 2014 #15

Direct physical contact. Not sneezing. It's not aerosol transmissible and its's not in lung tissue. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #16

Are you being obtuse on purpose? boomer55 Oct 2014 #17

i think you should volunteer to be sent to liberia, immediately. You know how to beat that virus! librechik Oct 2014 #38

You seem unfamiliar with the concept of fomites, which can transmit ebola if contaminated by kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #78

seriously? this is true? boomer55 Oct 2014 #115

Kestrel's a vet Aerows Oct 2014 #118

damn..... boomer55 Oct 2014 #121

Fomite Aerows Oct 2014 #129

Google: fomite(s)..................... kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #150

Thanks for being an incredible source of knowledge Aerows Oct 2014 #125

Thank you. I'm just trying to correct as much misinformation as possible. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #151

I am reading it quite plainly Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #28

I concur. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #53

I still am hoping they will get a handle on this thing in Africa. So many people have died. Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #136

Ebola is spread by ALL bodily fluids: kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #77

It's more than theoretically possible. Step 1, someone forcefully sneezes pnwmom Oct 2014 #132

The scariest part is no one at the hospital followed procedure. He was supposed to have been asked pnwmom Oct 2014 #23

He was asked and he said he came from west Africa. morningfog Oct 2014 #51

How many people came into contact with his fluids in the ambulance pnwmom Oct 2014 #131

Pretty sure sneezing transmits it and it lives for awhile outside the host boomer55 Oct 2014 #4

Which is why he is on 2 types of isolation rainbow4321 Oct 2014 #11

But he was sent home with symptoms because no one asked him if he'd been traveling. pnwmom Oct 2014 #24

They asked, he told, they proceeded to ignore him. Yup, best medical system in the world. Uh huh. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #79

sneezing video in slow motion.... boomer55 Oct 2014 #22

Even if he managed to transmit it to people he was in contact with Duer 157099 Oct 2014 #7

He was sent home WITH SYMPTOMS, so he had at least two days of possibly transmitting it pnwmom Oct 2014 #25

I understand that Duer 157099 Oct 2014 #30

Now they're saying he may have infected 12 - 18 people -- because the stupid hospital screwed up. pnwmom Oct 2014 #32

Wow. I haven't seen that 12-18 figure deutsey Oct 2014 #58

It's in most of the articles by now, but here: pnwmom Oct 2014 #61

Thanks. The only number I had heard was for the children deutsey Oct 2014 #62

They aren't confirmed infected since are in incubation period and testing won't show anything. uppityperson Oct 2014 #64

Correct. They were exposed -- so only possibly infected. Hopefully no one was. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #140

Cdc on tv said transmission was Sancho Oct 2014 #139

If none of the kids have symptoms, they would not have exposed anyone else yet. Only after showing uppityperson Oct 2014 #141

Yea...on CNN they tried to pin the doctor from CDC down on exactly WHEN you could pass it on... Sancho Oct 2014 #147

Speaking as a veterinarian with a microbiology degree, out of an abundance of caution, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #156

I don't think our for profit health care gives a sht. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #60

I think that's the weakest link in our system, right there deutsey Oct 2014 #63

He had FOUR days to spread it - Sep 24-28. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #80

I heard an intake nurse did not relay to the drs. the fact there was recent travel to Liberia though lunasun Oct 2014 #109

And the irony is the hospital had just had a training session about Ebola. Apparently it didn't work pnwmom Oct 2014 #111

Oh that I did not know. Only takes one brain dead ER employee to set unaware Ebola out lunasun Oct 2014 #114

Also the cdc says the virus has a long shelf life outside the host boomer55 Oct 2014 #9

OH SHIT. I was wondering about that and that is very bad news. Do you have the link? SHIT. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #81

And people that get well from it Aerows Oct 2014 #91

Well fuckety fuck. I had heard THREE MONTHS for the sperm but I didn't hear about the vaginal fluids kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #92

The thing is Aerows Oct 2014 #93

I cringe when I hear the head of the CDC saying it can't happen here. LIKE HELL IT CAN'T. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #95

I know. Aerows Oct 2014 #98

Yep. Absolutely horrifying. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #105

It really couldn't happen here, not without shitloads of bad luck and incompetence, anyway..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #106

Unfortunately n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #116

The good news is, it does seem that the CDC's trying to keep on top of things. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #117

AJ90, I have a rather bad feeling about the way Aerows Oct 2014 #119

"but it seems as though everyone is looking at this at the wrong end of the telescope." Could you... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #120

Viewing things from a telescope Aerows Oct 2014 #122

I think I see what you're getting at. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #124

Oh, no doubt Aerows Oct 2014 #126

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." As they say. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #157

Not necessarily. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #158

Here's how it happens: scared exposed people like Duncan lying to airport screeners in Liberia to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #153

I *did* mention hospital incompetence, though, didn't I? AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #155

+1 exactly From the hedging Ebola would burn it self out at the beginning of it spreading lunasun Oct 2014 #113

To be fair, I recall the CDC saying an outbreak like is occurring in WAfrica can't happen here, not uppityperson Oct 2014 #142

dang didnt know that. boomer55 Oct 2014 #102

We are screwn then. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #135

here is one boomer55 Oct 2014 #101

Thanks. And this response there is scary: kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #107

Did the patient tell the medics on the 26th he was just in the hot zone? seveneyes Oct 2014 #10

We don't know. LisaL Oct 2014 #12

They didn't ask and he didn't tell. The hospital made a grave mistake. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #33

Worse. They asked, he told, they ignored the significance. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #82

I've been told it can be transmitted with sweat... Even a sweaty high five. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #20

Told by who? Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #29

Probable, actually BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #36

Again, avoid close contact with sweaty sick people Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #39

I understand that BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #40

Getting ebola from a sweaty high five Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #42

Contact with sweat BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #49

True. In the event it is an epidemic locally, avoid bodily contact like high fives and handshakes... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #52

Handshakes are bad news Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #56

I surely hope you are being sarcastic. n/t Avalux Oct 2014 #65

The very second I hear of a contact being present in SoCal, let alone a confirmed case, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #85

West Africans know otherwise. Really, this dangerous disinformation you are spreading must stop. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #84

I give up Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #145

People who don't know a damned thing about virology and epidemiology but who go around giving kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #159

"Handshaking is no longer practiced". Hugging and kissing is practiced as the cultural norm uppityperson Oct 2014 #148

No, it isn't Aerows Oct 2014 #94

Again Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #144

Microscopic breaks in the skin are sufficient for transmission of all microbial diseases I know of kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #160

A producer for medical TV news who was investigating it. Note: it is believed that grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #47

Not trying to rag on you Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #54

Fever is s symptom. It's the first, and can start out looking like any other garden variety bug. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #86

We'll find out in a few weeks how many people, if any, this guy infected.... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #137

He lied to the Liberian screeners at the airport there. Then his family kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #152

CDC. Virus is found in all bodily fluids including sweat. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #83

the most disturbing aspect of this story to me, is that he was sent home cali Oct 2014 #21

^^this^^^ logosoco Oct 2014 #27

He didn't lie. The hospital acknowledged they didn't ask. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #34

Wow. It seems like that would be kind of standard. logosoco Oct 2014 #43

It's even worse. His sister says he told them he was visiting from Liberia when they asked for pnwmom Oct 2014 #44

They did ask. he told. And then they ignored what he said. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #87

we know how he got it TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #143

Yes, then was in contact with the general population for 4 days, grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #55

The thing is, Control-Z Oct 2014 #76

I don't know, but I think he should release his name and GPS log. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #138

So you really think banning flight from those countries yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #26

Context Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #37

None of those are increasing exponentially. Ebola is. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #88

It's increasing, but not exponentially. Let's try to stay realistic here..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #108

Well then, by all means Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #146

OMG OMG OMG OMGOMGOMGOGOMGOMGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111 uppityperson Oct 2014 #149

the ambulance crew will not have infected anybody magical thyme Oct 2014 #31

His children were exposed and presumably they were going to school. pnwmom Oct 2014 #35

highly unlikely. the worst case incubation period would end on the 26th. magical thyme Oct 2014 #41

You're assuming he went to the hospital on the first day he had symptoms. I'm not. pnwmom Oct 2014 #45

no I am not. His 1st day of symptoms was the 24th according to all reports magical thyme Oct 2014 #50

His first day of symptoms was the 23rd according to this report: pnwmom Oct 2014 #68

he left Liberia on he 19th. He arrived in Dallas on the 20th. magical thyme Oct 2014 #69

How do we know they weren't in school on the 29th? B2G Oct 2014 #66

we don't know it for a fact. But Ebola was suspected on the 28th magical thyme Oct 2014 #67

You're assuming they had been identified as having contact B2G Oct 2014 #70

an announcement earlier today did make it sound like someone else probably has it magical thyme Oct 2014 #71

Please remain calm until we are all dead, thank you. Rex Oct 2014 #46

Yep. I swear they WANT people to underestimate it and then die. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #89

Vegas odds compel me to reserve much more concern about being hit while on my bicycle commute... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #48

Sad that we can look at the poor state of medicine in Africa as a cause of the spread bhikkhu Oct 2014 #72

Even the second time he went to the hospital, his friend had to call CDC and tell them LisaL Oct 2014 #97

He was uninsured Warpy Oct 2014 #90

He is still infectious whether he has insurance or not. LisaL Oct 2014 #96

I suppose they didn't see beyond the word "uninsured." Warpy Oct 2014 #100

Another problem Aerows Oct 2014 #99

Now possible in Honolulu boomer55 Oct 2014 #103

At least they are being proactive and educating the staff and precautions being taken lunasun Oct 2014 #110

I was listening to a story on NPR from Africa about the people who remove the bodies of mucifer Oct 2014 #104

What's dangerous about this politically customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #112

It's a political disaster all right - for Perry. HIS state's doctors and nurses apparently kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #161

and now they're scrambling to reach passengers on the plane he was on. boomer55 Oct 2014 #123

Combatting the biological, contaminated waste Aerows Oct 2014 #127

Guess this gives new meaning to the tired over used cliche "Don't mess with Texas". gordianot Oct 2014 #128

it's how people with no insurance are "treated" Skittles Oct 2014 #130

Pretty much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #134