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TheVisitor

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74. From what I'm seeing so far...

Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:45 AM

Oct 2014

There is a distinct difference between the two organizations, even completely different websites...
CopWatchNYC is one example of the real CopWatch...
CopWatchNYC

Sovereign CopWatch Video:
Sovereign Copwatch

Video has a bus in it with a link to sovereigncopwatch.com which is inactive... but this popped up:

Sovereign CopWatch Facebook

Also, here is the archived version of their website .com address, to get a better idea of the difference between the two:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100821220428/http://sovereigncopwatch.ning.com/

Seems like two completely different entities to me, one adopted the sovereign part in front of their name... which I think was of their own doing and they may be a more extremist branch trying to piggyback off of a legitimately peaceful movement...

Anyway, just because an organization has the same word in it, even though their names are entirely different and they hold completely different websites and different motivations.. I don't think it is fair to clump them all together into one movement or agenda... The people in Copwatch who recorded police brutality/murder are not the same ones who are going around breaking the laws with the SC... and it seems like some kind of tactic to lump them all together so that anyone who wants to record the police is being labeled as a terrorist and can then have their rights revoked... It is unfair to punish legitimate citizens wishing to record what is actually happening because of the actions of some extremist non-citizens who have 'revoked their citizenship' as they proclaim...

You know, that's how they punished us in the military - if one did wrong, we all suffered, but I don't agree with that tactic here and I believe it is unwarranted to instantaneously criminalize anyone with a recording device because some people choose to be harassing or break the law and use it as a free pass...

That is like taking everyone's driver's license away just because of the jackasses who drink and drive... Each of these people is entitled to their own experience of innocent until proven guilty.. and honestly, one of these (the Sovereign Citizens) has a battle patch reminiscent of the one's used by the military for Spec OPs... that is a red flag right there and reveals a lot about their mentality, because they are attempting to 'overthrow'...

Just some background... the police as we know them today were formed by citizens in the 1600s standing 'watch', just as some of these people are doing in CopWatch...

History of the American Police Force:

The Early Days of American Law Enforcement - The Watch

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Police Departments Retaliate Against Organized "Cop Watch" Groups Across the US [View all] marmar Oct 2014 OP

How dare we hold them accountable mokawanis Oct 2014 #1

I have no doubt that the NSA will be recording visits to Copwatch. L0oniX Oct 2014 #3

Definitely billhicks76 Oct 2014 #32

Fuckin Gestapo is kicking it up a few notches. L0oniX Oct 2014 #2

They certainly do seem to be lusting for the big decisive battle, don't they? Populist_Prole Oct 2014 #9

I have said for a long time gopiscrap Oct 2014 #46

Fascists never rest Dopers_Greed Oct 2014 #4

+1000 Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #14

Authoritarian Totalitarianists never rest. They are Abusers and Abusers never ever rest. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #36

Kicking for visibility me b zola Oct 2014 #5

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #6

k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #7

time to post the early signs of fascism again librechik Oct 2014 #8

K & R nt yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #10

That just means that these groups need to get BIGGER. 7962 Oct 2014 #11

K&R ReRe Oct 2014 #12

We need a law enforcement enforcement force to protect us from law enforcement, valerief Oct 2014 #13

I believe that task will fall to the people, to those being oppressed & abused. CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #94

I would note, much of the organized "Cop Watch" membership are Sovereign Citizens. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #15

And cops beat and murder innocent citizens every day. GGJohn Oct 2014 #16

Ah, so you think that some cops that are out of control warrants randomly killing cops. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #18

Looking at my reply to you, and it seems I can't find anywhere I said that. GGJohn Oct 2014 #19

Sovereign Citizens have been randomly murdering cops for more years and years. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #21

I haven't given tacit approval for anything, GGJohn Oct 2014 #22

Well you may want to go read your post over again, because that is how I perceived it. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #23

I wrote it, I read it as I wrote it, I know what I meant, GGJohn Oct 2014 #24

I stated that Sovereign Citizens murder cops. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #25

Again, you're wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #26

Nowhere does your opponent make the logical connection that you do. sibelian Oct 2014 #105

"You may want to edit to make it clear you do not support Sovereign Citizens." sibelian Oct 2014 #104

THANK YOU!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #110

cops have been murdering innocent civilians for decades and decades.. frylock Oct 2014 #38

Buh Bye MohRokTah Oct 2014 #39

yes, the police are arguably the worst domestic terrorists in the US.. frylock Oct 2014 #45

Hard to respond to what someone actually says, isn't it, Mok? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #89

a class act Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #91

This site is one big dance of "You implied" "No, you inferred!" sibelian Oct 2014 #106

Mock sounds like a police apologists. nt ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #114

Exactly!!!!!!!!! gopiscrap Oct 2014 #47

Exactly gopiscrap Oct 2014 #48

Thanks for the heads up on "Sovereigns" I'd lost track of that fringe hate group... FailureToCommunicate Oct 2014 #27

Yep, the CopWatch movement had better disntance themselves from the Sovereigns MohRokTah Oct 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Oct 2014 #43

Oh, really? MohRokTah Oct 2014 #64

dup Skittles Oct 2014 #87

Well I have to say it...so what? zeemike Oct 2014 #57

So associations with a terrorist group are okay? MohRokTah Oct 2014 #58

You mean like MLK was associated with a terrorist group zeemike Oct 2014 #60

No, I mean like a group that has at least 1/3 of it's members being terrorists. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #61

Well then for you it is all about credibility. zeemike Oct 2014 #69

And exactly who determines what is a terrorist group? Live and Learn Oct 2014 #81

Ulimately, lexicographers. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #112

It's about the AUTHORITY having too much authority freefaller62 Oct 2014 #73

+1 After all, they are supposed to be public servants. nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #82

read this and see what you think Skittles Oct 2014 #88

Well what am I supposed to think? zeemike Oct 2014 #102

LOL Skittles Oct 2014 #120

I highly doubt that. And so what if 'many' are? Live and Learn Oct 2014 #80

Sovereign Citizens are recognized as a domestic terrorist organization. eom MohRokTah Oct 2014 #95

they are Libertarian nutcases Skittles Oct 2014 #86

Cops Murder Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #93

I've watched at least 50 of them and you are wrong, but that is okay snooper2 Oct 2014 #101

Li li li li LIBERTAAAAAAAARIANSSSSS!!!! sibelian Oct 2014 #107

Ratemycop.com was a great website... CoffeeCat Oct 2014 #17

Never heard of it before. It's a good idea. I can see why authoritarians would hate it. zinnisking Oct 2014 #42

I've seen their antics. I'm not amused. jmowreader Oct 2014 #20

Disagree. R.Quinn Oct 2014 #31

Refusing ID legally is not an issue. Not sure why you think it is. nt Logical Oct 2014 #40

The full metal Sovereign Citizens are far worse. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #67

I'm not sure Libertarians and Sovereign Citizens are all that far apart jmowreader Oct 2014 #119

Wow. Some Democrats could be called 22-year old punks ... CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #98

I think people who go out and stir up shit with the cops just so they can video it are punks jmowreader Oct 2014 #121

I love groups like Cop Block. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #29

+1 Rex Oct 2014 #76

quis custodiet ipsos custodes? malthaussen Oct 2014 #30

Come On, Mal! ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #108

The Police State is responsible to NO ONE. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #33

Welcome to the Police State of America, RoccoR5955 Oct 2014 #34

I don't want to hate cops, but their actions leave me no other choice. CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #35

Well said. gopiscrap Oct 2014 #49

True that. GGJohn Oct 2014 #51

+1 It is not so much hatred I feel, but outrage. nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #83

fuck tha police frylock Oct 2014 #37

I'd love these organizations whole-heartedly if they weren't TransitJohn Oct 2014 #41

which of the people quoted in the article are "open carry activist wingnuts" ? CreekDog Oct 2014 #44

Uh, what? TransitJohn Oct 2014 #52

They're terrorists. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #62

So 66% are not and yet they are deemed terrorists too? Live and Learn Oct 2014 #84

Associating with terrorists make you a terrorist. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #96

So you approve of the Patroit Act? GGJohn Oct 2014 #99

I wondered what user name Michael Chertoff was posting under. n/t Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #115

I didn't write the damned law. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #117

Cops are like cockroaches, they scatter from the light. blackspade Oct 2014 #50

our police state is doing more harm than good, since 9/11 cops have become a whereisjustice Oct 2014 #53

keep watching them Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #54

Hmm....apparently it's working. Phlem Oct 2014 #55

ummm, don't they keep telling us that, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to niyad Oct 2014 #56

Thank you TheVisitor Oct 2014 #59

You haven't even scratched the surface of thi shit. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #63

And what proof... TheVisitor Oct 2014 #65

. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #66

This seems... TheVisitor Oct 2014 #68

All others in CopWatch refuse to disavow these assholes. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #70

From what I'm seeing so far... TheVisitor Oct 2014 #74

Thank you. This poster is either ignorant or deliberately try to spread disinformation. U4ikLefty Oct 2014 #75

SSDD with that poster. Rex Oct 2014 #77

^this marmar Oct 2014 #78

Thanks for breaking it down to the different groups filming cops lunasun Oct 2014 #79

I know that there are some people with views Live and Learn Oct 2014 #85

I don't give a damn if the cop watchers are in the sovereign citizen mvmt. or not bluestateguy Oct 2014 #71

Nice to know you support the single most dangerous domestic terrorist organization in America. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #72

Nice to know that you support the single most horrible president in US history, GWB, GGJohn Oct 2014 #100

Slavemasters Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #90

Osama bin laden watched "cops", plus Ebola, and ISIS. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #92

Highlights again the type of personalities often drawn to police work. There needs RKP5637 Oct 2014 #97

Sociopaths are drawn to jobs in position of authority. Rozlee Oct 2014 #103

Interesting, thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #111

Watch and cut their fat fucking budgets. JEB Oct 2014 #109

If the cops have nothing to hide then what's the problem? Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #113

That's the problem, GGJohn Oct 2014 #116

funny strawberries Oct 2014 #118