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12. no one really traces guns anyway

Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:43 AM

Oct 2014

Guns are sold without a paper trail all the time. It's a myth perpetrated by tv shows that detectives will find a gun near a dead body and somehow link it back to a registered owner who then confesses and goes to jail before the end credits.

I've in my possession two handguns that are in no way traceable to me. They were legally purchased by other people and through some means or another legally made it into my collection. If I pass either of them to another person who then uses it in a crime and leaves it behind, the police are not going to arrest the first people who bought them and just happened to be the last to bring paperwork into the process.

When someone uses a gun illegally, they will be tracked through other means and punished. Usually the person is caught with said gun still in their possession.

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That $1,200 Machine for Making Untraceable Guns Just Sold Out in 36 Hours [View all] Logical Oct 2014 OP

This Genie is offcially loose. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #1

Exactly - just wait until molecular bioprinters start to show up TampaAnimusVortex Oct 2014 #99

this is the same bitcoin asshole DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #2

You know what else is used to exchange child porn? linuxman Oct 2014 #25

My bet is that cash is used to buy kiddie porn more than bitcoin. TampaAnimusVortex Oct 2014 #97

Well that's interesting. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #3

So those responsible, law-abiding gun nuts are a myth. Time to end Hoyt Oct 2014 #4

Kindly point out for us what illegal thing you think the "gun nuts" are doing friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #5

You really don't get it. Lots of things are legal that aren't good for society. Hoyt Oct 2014 #13

"Lots of things are legal that aren't good for society." What are *you* doing to change things? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #14

Republican governors, senators, congress people, etc , see gunz like you. Hoyt Oct 2014 #17

"Republican governors, senators, congress people, etc ," also claim the sun rises in the east friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #43

You also haven't told us what *you're* doing (aside from posting online) to change things friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #44

Thank you, well done. Saboburns Oct 2014 #51

He was the one leveling charges/insults at people. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #75

I'm sorry, fi, but I'm new here Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #58

What do *I* do? I ridicule the culture warriors on both sides of the issue... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #68

"You also haven't told us what *you're* doing (aside from posting online) to change things" Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #69

Kindly define "the insanity of our gun culture" for us friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #70

HA! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #71

You're no less a culture warrior than Ted Nugent, Pat Robertson, or the Jefferson County... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #72

You would be more comfortable in the other group Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #79

You skirted the question that was asked of you NickB79 Oct 2014 #19

lots of things are legal that arent good for society backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #48

Thet won't use it on gunz. Right wing racists are the main obes arming up. Hoyt Oct 2014 #61

Know a lot of RW racists do you? GGJohn Oct 2014 #62

Where I live, yes, and all are into gunz. I suspect it's much the same whrre you Hoyt Oct 2014 #63

I don't know any RW racists, I do have a lots of friends who own lots of firearms GGJohn Oct 2014 #64

Can I get an answer to my question in post #62? GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

I gave you an answer, you didn't like it. It's my experience, NRA leadership is made up of racists, Hoyt Oct 2014 #74

I could be wrong, but joeglow3 Oct 2014 #76

"Go to any gun show, mostly right wing racists." EX500rider Oct 2014 #77

Your photo does not suggest a lot of diversity. Michael Moore believes there's a connection. Hoyt Oct 2014 #82

"lack of diversity" not the same thing as "RW racists" now is it? EX500rider Oct 2014 #84

Sorry, I disagree. Too many right wingers, confederate and Tparty flags (inside and out), Hoyt Oct 2014 #86

This has got to be, by far, one of the most ridiculous things I've GGJohn Oct 2014 #114

Depending on where such a photo is taken, the entire area may lack diversity. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #85

Not my office Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #80

Ok, thanks for the answer. GGJohn Oct 2014 #81

I gave you evidence earlier. Also see Post #86. Hoyt Oct 2014 #87

Either you hid it, or you are seeing things. There is no "evidence" there. n/t oneshooter Oct 2014 #88

Better evidence than you have that gunz are good for societym Hoyt Oct 2014 #89

Not really, my family comes first. oneshooter Oct 2014 #90

Howsabout refuting what Michael Moore and others say. Hoyt Oct 2014 #91

Don't change the subject, you still need to show proof of what you said. n/t oneshooter Oct 2014 #92

Howsabout you provide citable evidence with links, and I don't mean GGJohn Oct 2014 #94

I asked for citable evidence with links, GGJohn Oct 2014 #93

You guys have no evidence to refute that racist right wingers are the majority of those Hoyt Oct 2014 #95

And aparently YOU have no evidrnce to back up your slander. n/t oneshooter Oct 2014 #96

As usual, they're... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #104

You are the one to make the charge Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #101

Again, "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #103

Ouch!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #105

Interesting, notice how many gungeoneers on that thread have been PPR'd. Hoyt Oct 2014 #107

Don't change the subject, you still need to show proof of what you said. n/t oneshooter Oct 2014 #108

Remember a certain World's Foremost Authority On Gun Owners And How They Think... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #111

That *might* carry some sting coming from someone who practiced the ethics they preach friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #110

Changing the subject again Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #113

don't you love the Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #112

did you sell your gunz yet? snooper2 Oct 2014 #115

You got the law abiding part right... Oktober Oct 2014 #9

Really, this is seriously scary. Initech Oct 2014 #18

What law is being broken? linuxman Oct 2014 #24

Banksters didn't always break laws either while the ruined the economy. Hoyt Oct 2014 #32

I know several people wo have finished an AR15 lower for personal use. linuxman Oct 2014 #34

Depends on what they do with it. There are gungeoneers here who think Hoyt Oct 2014 #38

Of course if that was true, you'd have posted a link... beevul Oct 2014 #45

He can't Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #54

"When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #102

Interesting, notice how many gungeoneers on that thread have been PPR'd. Hoyt Oct 2014 #106

Interesting, notice how you don't practice what you preach friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #109

Confiscation. krispos42 Oct 2014 #52

It's always been legal to make your own gun - you just can't sell or transfer them aikoaiko Oct 2014 #6

Of course you can only build non serialized lowers ileus Oct 2014 #7

Can you gift them? nt Logical Oct 2014 #15

No. No transfer whatsoever aikoaiko Oct 2014 #21

Not true Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #39

You can get around that I think... Lancero Oct 2014 #37

Oh lookee here. louis-t Oct 2014 #78

the person that owns the receiver blank Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #83

I'd be very surprised...... sendero Oct 2014 #8

You would be incorrect... Oktober Oct 2014 #10

100% legal for people to manufacture firearms madville Oct 2014 #11

It's perfectly legal as long as you aren't making them for sale or transfer tularetom Oct 2014 #27

Well then, prepare to be surprised. GGJohn Oct 2014 #49

no one really traces guns anyway NightWatcher Oct 2014 #12

Yep. And if you are the sort who truly believes you *need* an untraceable gun... hunter Oct 2014 #67

FREEDOM!!!! Iggo Oct 2014 #16

FYI, this machine doesn't create the WHOLE gun at home NickB79 Oct 2014 #20

The reciever is al that you sign your life away for, though. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #100

I'd like to have one madokie Oct 2014 #22

When your imagination fails, thingverse takes over ;) n/t X_Digger Oct 2014 #57

How is it that this wonderful technology has come to be logosoco Oct 2014 #23

A CNC machine? linuxman Oct 2014 #26

Actually I am somewhat familair with CNC, my husband works in plastic molding. logosoco Oct 2014 #31

I see. I thought you meant automated machining in general. linuxman Oct 2014 #33

And its not like a used bridgeport mill is that expensive. N/T beevul Oct 2014 #46

Looks cool. linuxman Oct 2014 #28

$1,200 to make one lower receiver? tularetom Oct 2014 #29

I think ultimately someone can sell them, but yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #35

Don't get me wrong, I think this thing is pretty cool and I can see a lot of potential tularetom Oct 2014 #36

There is a lot of paperwork to get a 07 FFL Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #40

I think you miss the point. Next year these will be 300 dollars. In 5 year or less, 75 bucks. TampaAnimusVortex Oct 2014 #98

Nothing against the law about this. LittleBlue Oct 2014 #30

I agree, technology will only get better. With over 300 million guns out there who cares. nt Logical Oct 2014 #42

Marketing! Merchandising! lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #41

Stupid way to make guns... hunter Oct 2014 #47

You can't buy a decent CNC mill for $1,200. I expect that's a lot of what this is. n/t X_Digger Oct 2014 #50

What I was thinking Strelnikov_ Oct 2014 #55

If I had $1,200 laying around, I'd be on it like white on rice. Eyeing a CNC router for woodwork n/t X_Digger Oct 2014 #56

The key word is "decent." Quite a few "build it yourself for a $100" plans on the internet. hunter Oct 2014 #65

Well, more like, "look what I built for <$100", if you click through to the link itself.. X_Digger Oct 2014 #66

Of course they did. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #53

so many paranoid nutcases Skittles Oct 2014 #59

What could possibly go wrong? workinclasszero Oct 2014 #60