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JonLP24

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89. I guarantee some racists read this right here in this thread
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 07:39 AM
Oct 2014

Basic probability regarding that. About 1% to 4% are sociopaths so there is a good chance a sociopath also read this here (DU would be a good place for those chaos games sociopaths love).

Anyways, the logic behind racism amazes me and the distances one will go. They'll say they got this going for them, that going them, why are the whining? etc. Hello?? They have to live in a world w/ many others with the same sort of opinion and they hold job interviews, sit on juries, grant loans, etc.

Where I live is very racist. At a institutional level Hispanics, Mexican-Americans, Mexicans are the most profiled and discriminated against in this state (often other races are outnumbered 3:1) but when you get to the "regular Joe" level you'll see some Native Americans and Mexican-Americans OK, find a lot of whites to be cool while these racist whites are racist to those groups but reserve a special contempt for Blacks and they seem to be at the bottom of racists totem pole no matter the race. I've even seen Natives bigoted towards other Natives who belong to/or are from a different tribe(though I imagine this could be similar to English-Americans being bigoted towards Irish immigrants). Thankfully this isn't universal but it is common around here how could anyone say there isn't anything inherently unfair where you don't have to constantly to deal with people that think they are beneath them (though most racists are cowards who act very different--this where I think the logic behind these ignorant beliefs should break down). Not scientific but based on observations of racist & bigoted statements made in my years in Arizona (My experience in Sea-Tac & the Military (but still there) were very different)

Everyone is disliked by somebody due to their skin color but European-Americans have it easy though a lot of it is simply distrust, when it comes to African-Americans, you have quite a few people detesting you, interracial relationships bring out a certain level (I lost count how many rocks were thrown at us just because I was with someone that was black), over something you have no control of. And how could anyone deny that reality? Could you imagine how insulting that is?

Where is that old Tim Wise clip speaking at Tulane? Did a great job of explaining fault vs responsibility. (This is my own example) It wasn't your fault a guest you had over where you're a tenant in an apartment complex vandalized & broke into a vehicle when he was leaving your place but you're responsible. There are better examples but you get the point. If you're not the cause of the situation don't worry about it (white privilege certainly doesn't offend me as a white man) but focus on what you can do to solve the problem and don't start by denying there is a problem. (if you're honestly baffled watch some clips of "What would you do?&quot

In all honestly you don't have to do anything but denying it--I understand how the interpretation of "privilege" in this contest can lead to these arguments that distract from the real issue so I'm willing to ban that word in sake of discussion but any more than that leads me to be suspicious of your motives.

One other thing, being rich vs poor is an advantage but separate like being an American would give you a natural advantage over someone from a poor, authoritarian country. Handicap physical or otherwise is a natural disadvantage to the rest of the population like the Oprah exception. Economics is part of the natural disadvantage for African-Americans--this fact was around when we were in a recession or almost one (around the bailout) that they've been in a recession since the Reagan administration. 400 billionaires'-- which includes the only African-American billionaire--net worth is on par w/ 14 million African-American households. African-Americans & Latinos have a roughly 45% home ownership rate while whites are around 75%. They make up 13% of the nation's population but have 2% of the nation's total wealth. Median income for whites outnumber blacks by some $90,000. The numbers in poverty, unemployment, etc. W/ the wealth gap going up the problems will only get worse. It is obvious there is something going on whether you want to call it privilege or not and if you want to go with the "not racist" option a 2003 study showed white sounding names were 50% more likely to get called for an initial interview. Much more proof can be found but if you doubt it at this point I can't help you(only the clip rec on "what would you do?" should be sufficient)It is a vicious cycle and instead of worrying about blame, focus on doing something about it.

I miss BlooInBloo & RaineyB, they were the best at simplifying the bullshit, specifically BlooInBloo could make all the points I just made in one sentence. RaineyB who was the best at confronting head-on, in one of those countless "white privilege" she told another poster 'you want me (or us) to throw you a party for not being racist' in response to a comment which said that white people should be thanked for helping Barack Obama's election.

I don't know why they were banned but I'm afraid, especially in RaineyB's case that it wasn't for her battles which were often w/ the same damn posters who not only have the privilege of reality, but also the privilege of denying that reality for others.

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Dear White Racists... [View all] FourScore Oct 2014 OP
. Iggo Oct 2014 #1
Have to highlight one line gollygee Oct 2014 #2
If I could make this gif clap any slower, I would do just that MrScorpio Oct 2014 #3
BRAVO! This is the best I've read on this issue. nt brush Oct 2014 #4
This needs to be reposted on the racists' websites. But they don't listen to reason. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #5
K&R Because this essay should get as much exposure as possible.. annabanana Oct 2014 #6
It is possible to be correct yet be insufferably smug at the same time. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #7
Really? Really? valerief Oct 2014 #10
Apparently ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #14
'Tone' issues don't change no matter the hue of the person speaking Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #29
but historically this tone is acceptable for white men, only problematic for the "angry" black and bettyellen Oct 2014 #30
It's not about 'acceptable'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #32
perhaps because you have not xperienced this double standard your entire life, you feel more okay bettyellen Oct 2014 #33
I actually changed in how I feel about it to the way I do now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #35
Interesting. I would love to see you take a crack at rewriting this- it would be interesting to see bettyellen Oct 2014 #51
That's an excellent idea! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #74
I am not sure it can be done- but would love to be proven wrong. bettyellen Oct 2014 #80
well, yes ... Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2014 #15
+1 L0oniX Oct 2014 #16
I'm hoping you get the irony here. bettyellen Oct 2014 #18
I get it. I'm the smug racist because Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #20
LOL, persecution complex much? if you make shit you don't care about, all about you.... bettyellen Oct 2014 #21
Someone else in this thread said it better than I did. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #22
Oh poor fella- having to open and reply to threads that bore you! bettyellen Oct 2014 #26
You are so smug yet absolutely correct.... I kid. I kid (about Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2014 #49
I believe the words were "...correct yet...insufferably smug..." Iggo Oct 2014 #24
Yes, the content of the missive is highly correct. I know this because Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #25
Whoosh. Iggo Oct 2014 #27
Is that the sound of another self-aware open letter being posted to racists Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #28
Is it possible that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #40
Actually it was not an open letter. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #42
Sad, but goddamn true in this case. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #45
nah, what makes me wonder are those who repeatedly insist on fishwax Oct 2014 #59
Do you have some sort of grudge or something? Sure sounds like it. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #83
I don't have a grudge. I just think the behavior I described is bad behavior. fishwax Oct 2014 #84
I dunno, it *seemed* like a personal accusation to me. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #85
As I said, I was describing behavior that I find to be bad behavior. fishwax Oct 2014 #86
+1,000,000 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #90
Given that this is addressed at racists, can't really object to the rude tone. (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #8
Yes, but an open letter to white racists on DU is self-defeating - should post on RW site 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #36
No doubt. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #44
I'm not sure that this letter is a genuine attempt to persuade racists of the error of their ways. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #47
if it isn't, then it's just another vanity post Doctor_J Oct 2014 #53
I can think of a couple DUers that you can ask ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #57
I Have 1SBM ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #58
But only when directed at ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60
You're Right ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #61
I have not found this to be true Doctor_J Oct 2014 #63
I guess we see what we want to see, huh? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #64
Oooooo, you're gonna get it now!! Number23 Oct 2014 #92
Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #96
It's not a letter, as I have stated here. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #75
I can certainly understand where the person is coming from..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #87
Nothing says "secret handshake" like sitting in a room full of other white people hedgehog Oct 2014 #9
I've sat in those rooms. Iggo Oct 2014 #23
OK so most of us pipi_k Oct 2014 #11
do you have a solution? heaven05 Oct 2014 #12
Unfortunately, we're still debating whether the faucet is leaking wryter2000 Oct 2014 #13
There have been several posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #17
Amen to the less relevant thing. We have the same problem with racist dog whistles here that the bettyellen Oct 2014 #19
I'll be damned... CANDO Oct 2014 #95
I have tweeted this post.. yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #31
I hope all the white racists on DU take note. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #34
And a couple of ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #39
oh god, wouldn't that be something. MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #48
Okay I will bite... what are fee-fees? whistler162 Oct 2014 #37
Females? KamaAina Oct 2014 #41
Feelings. nt Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #46
This is hifiguy Oct 2014 #38
I wish I could rec this.....but I'm afraid that's not an option here. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #43
I just know it wouldn't be long ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #50
LOL, 1StrongBlackMan! That train's never late! freshwest Oct 2014 #54
TBH ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56
It's engrained, can't be changed. I recognized WP as a kid in single digits without the term. freshwest Oct 2014 #62
When 'driving while white' becomes a national crisis Rex Oct 2014 #70
As has been observed and said a number of times (primarily by PoC) ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #72
Sorry, but when 'driving while white' becomes a national problem Rex Oct 2014 #69
"IMHO TBH and frank I whish I wasn't full of shit. " Or something like that. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2014 #77
An illusion? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #78
YEP. Rex Oct 2014 #79
I do stand by what I said. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #81
Violins for you! betsuni Oct 2014 #91
WOW! So "edgy" and "in your face"! I bet this will really have an effect! LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #52
It will have an effect. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #55
I will once again highlight one line of it. gollygee Oct 2014 #65
Screeds like this are pure masturbation LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #66
Not everyone here at DU is in the choir gollygee Oct 2014 #67
Right... and bombastic crap like this will convince them how? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #68
Different people are different gollygee Oct 2014 #71
What's a SJW? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #73
I needed the preaching. And it does make a difference. KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #94
IMHO, racists are sorry pos who are so insecure and obtuse darkangel218 Oct 2014 #76
Yes they do. In *many* cases. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #82
Well, I'm confused. the_sly_pig Oct 2014 #88
I guarantee some racists read this right here in this thread JonLP24 Oct 2014 #89
Bloo and Rainey were spectacularly awesome. And as you said, called the bullshitters out so much Number23 Oct 2014 #93
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