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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: U.S. manufactured militant threat as pretext to bomb Syria [View all]wandy
(3,539 posts)132. A lot to consider here. One of my problems is I do not have a 'trusted source'.............
I will agree that Democracy Now may be more reliable than corporate media however ............
At times the spin is so pervasive that it is picked up by conventional corporate media. Sometimes a Right Wing Bull Shit Fairytale can gain so much traction so quickly that even normally trustworthy news sources may be taken in and report it as fact.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025613348
Please understand I have no particular problem with Glenn Greenwald. At worst I think of him like the Dragon Lady, Maureen Dowd, "he hates everybody". I also don't necessary consider that a bad thing.
Were I to express my thoughts on our re-involvement or even our initial involvement in Iran I would get banned by virtue of fowl language alone. The problem I have with this particular part of this is that the story so closely follows the RWBSF formula it falls under one of my tests for spin.
When they all start singing the same chapter and verse in three part harmony you know something is wrong.
The storys are too similar using similar wording and almost the exact same dog whistles.
From The//Intercept as told By Glenn Greenwald and Murtaza Hussain
The solution to both problems was found in the wholesale concoction of a brand new terror threat that was branded The Khorasan Group. After spending weeks depicting ISIS as an unprecedented threat too radical even for Al Qaeda! administration officials suddenly began spoon-feeding their favorite media organizations and national security journalists tales of a secret group that was even scarier and more threatening than ISIS, one that posed a direct and immediate threat to the American Homeland. Seemingly out of nowhere, a new terror group was created in media lore.
While the Islamic State group is getting the most attention now, another band of extremists in Syria a mix of hardened jihadis from Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Europe poses a more direct and imminent threat to the United States, working with Yemeni bomb-makers to target U.S. aviation, American officials say.
At the center is a cell known as the Khorasan group, a cadre of veteran al-Qaida fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan who traveled to Syria to link up with the al-Qaida affiliate there, the Nusra Front.
But the Khorasan militants did not go to Syria principally to fight the government of President Bashar Assad, U.S. officials say. Instead, they were sent by al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri to recruit Europeans and Americans whose passports allow them to board a U.S.-bound airliner with less scrutiny from security officials.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/28/u-s-officials-invented-terror-group-justify-bombing-syria/
From The National Review as told by Andrew C. Mcarthy.
There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the Khorosan Group suddenly went from anonymity to the imminent threat that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.
You havent heard of the Khorosan Group because there isnt one. It is a name the administration came up with, calculating that Khorosan the IranianAfghan border region had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it.
The Khorosan Group is al-Qaeda. It is simply a faction within the global terror networks Syrian franchise, Jabhat al-Nusra. Its leader, Mushin al-Fadhli (believed to have been killed in this weeks U.S.-led air strikes), was an intimate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the emir of al-Qaeda who dispatched him to the jihad in Syria. Except that if you listen to administration officials long enough, you come away thinking that Zawahiri is not really al-Qaeda, either. Instead, hes something the administration is at pains to call core al-Qaeda.
Core al-Qaeda, you are to understand, is different from Jabhat al-Nusra, which in turn is distinct from al-Qaeda in Iraq (formerly al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia, now the Islamic State al-Qaeda spin-off that is, itself, formerly al-Qaeda in Iraq and al-Sham or al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant). That al-Qaeda, dont you know, is a different outfit from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula . . . which, of course, should never be mistaken for al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, Boko Haram, Ansar al-Sharia, or the latest entry, al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388990/khorosan-group-does-not-exist-andrew-c-mccarthy
Predating either article Rush Limbaugh ad-libs a version of the script.
Limbaugh sees through Obama admin ruse of Khorasan Group as distinct from al Qaeda
http://www.mrctv.org/audio/limbaugh-sees-through-obama-admin-ruse-khorasan-group-distinct-al-qaeda
If this doesn't have the appearance of RWBSF and a another orchestrated smear campaign Breitbart and others chime in with supportive information.
Report: Obama Has Missed over Half His Second-Term Daily Intel Briefings
I think our head of the intelligence community, Jim Clapper, has acknowledged that I think they underestimated what had been taking place in Syria, said Obama.
According to Daily Beast reporter Eli Lake, members of the Defense establishment were flabbergasted by Obamas attempt to shift blame.
Either the president doesnt read the intelligence hes getting or hes bullshitting, a former senior Pentagon official who worked closely on the threat posed by Sunni jihadists in Syria and Iraq told the Daily Beast.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/Report-Obama-Has-Missed-Over-Half-His-Second-Term-Daily-Intel-Briefings
The way this entire script is put together so closely follows the formula started by Josie's account of the attack on Darren Wilson that it is simply imposable for me to take it on face value.
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Glenn Greenwald: U.S. manufactured militant threat as pretext to bomb Syria [View all]
DonViejo
Sep 2014
OP
Terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of TV
J_J_
Sep 2014
#21
Yeah, don't trust what Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have to say about ISIS..
Cha
Sep 2014
#25
Well, I don't believe your theory about Ferguson.. AG Holder is on that. I trust Bernie, Elizabeth,
Cha
Oct 2014
#79
Yeah, they kind of appeared out of nowhere and suddenly became the 'greatest threat
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#41
Damn GG, you've entered Alex Jones territory. Has he written about Russia's encroachment?
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#2
And his internet denizens wait for every pearl that falls from that swine's lips. It's what they do.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#22
Fuck Libertarians, and the selfish, money grubbing, dope smokin' boat they rode in on.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#31
"This black or white, us or them way of looking at the world or people in it is so 2001."
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#39
Yes, fact or fiction! This was a perfect example of the difference. Thanks for pointing it
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#50
You mean AQ still exists? I was just told on DU that 'AQ no longer exists' because
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#43
Wow! Thanks Ruby. I would like to know since when is wanting to stop all these
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#49
Lol, I've been called a lot of things, but RW is a new one! Thank you taking the trouble to read
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#104
Lol, I don't help Right Wing propaganda machines stay on the air. I remember when
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#120
I agree that starving the beast of any legitimate left voices was and still is the best approach.
bobduca
Oct 2014
#121
Lol! Not only does he not 'get' your odd opinion, the more he is attacked, the more
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#44
I'm talking about poor journalism not whether the bombing is the right thing to do
brush
Oct 2014
#66
They've turned the Bogeyman-of-the-day threat up to 11 too many times. Go for 12.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2014
#6
No one believes anything anymore. That is what happens when people are lied to
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#45
Well, divide and conquer is a given. Us versus Them. It's learned at an early age.
valerief
Sep 2014
#33
Maybe Glenn would like to travel to Iraq and Syria to "report" on this first hand?
George II
Sep 2014
#12
He should make a "First Look" movie, and call it..."Desperately Seeking Hits".
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#26
and those making the ad homs project their own "messenger not message" onto others
KurtNYC
Sep 2014
#30
They're always the same too, childish, without any substance. I remember the exact same
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#57
Never forget that Assad and Putin are the "good guys" in Greenwald's universe....
Blue_Tires
Sep 2014
#37
By that standard Greenwald supports Ebola. He's never commented on that either
riderinthestorm
Oct 2014
#80
That's pretty desperate. There are three superpowers in the world. Any political journalist who has
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#106
Thanks Koko, I wondered how long it would be before someone tried to discredit Democracy Now
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#115
Well, a man sees what he wants to see and I'm still seeing the media as the problem......
wandy
Oct 2014
#100
You're certainly right about our media. Which is why most of us here turned to more credible
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#131
A lot to consider here. One of my problems is I do not have a 'trusted source'.............
wandy
Oct 2014
#132
Here's a simple question for you. For how long have you been aware of either ISIS and/or
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#134