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wandy

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132. A lot to consider here. One of my problems is I do not have a 'trusted source'.............
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:17 PM
Oct 2014

I will agree that Democracy Now may be more reliable than corporate media however ............

At times the spin is so pervasive that it is picked up by conventional corporate media. Sometimes a Right Wing Bull Shit Fairytale can gain so much traction so quickly that even normally trustworthy news sources may be taken in and report it as fact.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025613348

Please understand I have no particular problem with Glenn Greenwald. At worst I think of him like the Dragon Lady, Maureen Dowd, "he hates everybody". I also don't necessary consider that a bad thing.

Were I to express my thoughts on our re-involvement or even our initial involvement in Iran I would get banned by virtue of fowl language alone. The problem I have with this particular part of this is that the story so closely follows the RWBSF formula it falls under one of my tests for spin.
When they all start singing the same chapter and verse in three part harmony you know something is wrong.

The storys are too similar using similar wording and almost the exact same dog whistles.

From The//Intercept as told By Glenn Greenwald and Murtaza Hussain

The solution to both problems was found in the wholesale concoction of a brand new terror threat that was branded “The Khorasan Group.” After spending weeks depicting ISIS as an unprecedented threat – too radical even for Al Qaeda! – administration officials suddenly began spoon-feeding their favorite media organizations and national security journalists tales of a secret group that was even scarier and more threatening than ISIS, one that posed a direct and immediate threat to the American Homeland. Seemingly out of nowhere, a new terror group was created in media lore.

While the Islamic State group is getting the most attention now, another band of extremists in Syria — a mix of hardened jihadis from Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Europe — poses a more direct and imminent threat to the United States, working with Yemeni bomb-makers to target U.S. aviation, American officials say.
At the center is a cell known as the Khorasan group, a cadre of veteran al-Qaida fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan who traveled to Syria to link up with the al-Qaida affiliate there, the Nusra Front.
But the Khorasan militants did not go to Syria principally to fight the government of President Bashar Assad, U.S. officials say. Instead, they were sent by al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri to recruit Europeans and Americans whose passports allow them to board a U.S.-bound airliner with less scrutiny from security officials.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/28/u-s-officials-invented-terror-group-justify-bombing-syria/


From The National Review as told by Andrew C. Mcarthy.

There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the “Khorosan Group” suddenly went from anonymity to the “imminent threat” that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.
You haven’t heard of the Khorosan Group because there isn’t one. It is a name the administration came up with, calculating that Khorosan — the –Iranian–Afghan border region — had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it.

The “Khorosan Group” is al-Qaeda. It is simply a faction within the global terror network’s Syrian franchise, “Jabhat al-Nusra.” Its leader, Mushin al-Fadhli (believed to have been killed in this week’s U.S.-led air strikes), was an intimate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the emir of al-Qaeda who dispatched him to the jihad in Syria. Except that if you listen to administration officials long enough, you come away thinking that Zawahiri is not really al-Qaeda, either. Instead, he’s something the administration is at pains to call “core al-Qaeda.”
“Core al-Qaeda,” you are to understand, is different from “Jabhat al-Nusra,” which in turn is distinct from “al-Qaeda in Iraq” (formerly “al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia,” now the “Islamic State” al-Qaeda spin-off that is, itself, formerly “al-Qaeda in Iraq and al-Sham” or “al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant”). That al-Qaeda, don’t you know, is a different outfit from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula . . . which, of course, should never be mistaken for “al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,” “Boko Haram,” “Ansar al-Sharia,” or the latest entry, “al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388990/khorosan-group-does-not-exist-andrew-c-mccarthy

Predating either article Rush Limbaugh ad-libs a version of the script.
Limbaugh sees through Obama admin ruse of Khorasan Group as distinct from al Qaeda
http://www.mrctv.org/audio/limbaugh-sees-through-obama-admin-ruse-khorasan-group-distinct-al-qaeda

If this doesn't have the appearance of RWBSF and a another orchestrated smear campaign Breitbart and others chime in with supportive information.
Report: Obama Has Missed over Half His Second-Term Daily Intel Briefings
“I think our head of the intelligence community, Jim Clapper, has acknowledged that I think they underestimated what had been taking place in Syria,” said Obama.
According to Daily Beast reporter Eli Lake, members of the Defense establishment were “flabbergasted” by Obama’s attempt to shift blame.
“Either the president doesn’t read the intelligence he’s getting or he’s bullshitting,” a former senior Pentagon official “who worked closely on the threat posed by Sunni jihadists in Syria and Iraq” told the Daily Beast.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/Report-Obama-Has-Missed-Over-Half-His-Second-Term-Daily-Intel-Briefings

The way this entire script is put together so closely follows the formula started by Josie's account of the attack on Darren Wilson that it is simply imposable for me to take it on face value.



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I'm not entirely convinced we didn't do the same with IS. arcane1 Sep 2014 #1
Terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of TV J_J_ Sep 2014 #21
Yeah, don't trust what Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have to say about ISIS.. Cha Sep 2014 #25
I would think that most of the information they have access to Trillo Oct 2014 #78
Well, I don't believe your theory about Ferguson.. AG Holder is on that. I trust Bernie, Elizabeth, Cha Oct 2014 #79
I trust them. I don't trust the information they are given. Octafish Oct 2014 #99
Yeah, they kind of appeared out of nowhere and suddenly became the 'greatest threat sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #41
The poster of this OP should read this that was also posted on DU brush Oct 2014 #53
I trust Greenwald as far as I can throw him. Same goes for the Pentagon. arcane1 Oct 2014 #62
Damn GG, you've entered Alex Jones territory. Has he written about Russia's encroachment? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #2
Well...it's telling, isn't it, that President Obama hits AQAP pretty hard msanthrope Sep 2014 #11
GG likes money, no matter where it comes from. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #15
Exactly. SoapBox Sep 2014 #19
And his internet denizens wait for every pearl that falls from that swine's lips. It's what they do. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #22
and.......you don't? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #29
Fuck Libertarians, and the selfish, money grubbing, dope smokin' boat they rode in on. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #31
Fuck Authoritarians and their self-induced ignorance LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #34
You might enjoy this edition!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #35
And there you have it folks! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #38
"This black or white, us or them way of looking at the world or people in it is so 2001." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #39
OWWWIIIIEEE you are going to hurt Libertarian feelings! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #101
Who cares about Libertarians' feelings? I certainly don't. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #124
nope they seem to be born without that filter! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #126
Yes, fact or fiction! This was a perfect example of the difference. Thanks for pointing it sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #50
Yeah, that's about all they do. Just childish snark. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #56
So true. n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #116
You mean AQ still exists? I was just told on DU that 'AQ no longer exists' because sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #43
Your jury results Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #47
Wow! Thanks Ruby. I would like to know since when is wanting to stop all these sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #49
I read your post 3 times trying to see that angle Ruby the Liberal Oct 2014 #74
Lol, I've been called a lot of things, but RW is a new one! Thank you taking the trouble to read sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #104
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #114
Lol, I don't help Right Wing propaganda machines stay on the air. I remember when sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #120
I agree that starving the beast of any legitimate left voices was and still is the best approach. bobduca Oct 2014 #121
Exactly. He's in Alex Jones territory now. War Horse Sep 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #27
Lol! Not only does he not 'get' your odd opinion, the more he is attacked, the more sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #44
Ooh, that's how sneaky those Khorasan bastards are! gratuitous Sep 2014 #3
Yes jamzrockz Sep 2014 #4
Try this post right here on DU that debunks Greenwald's claim brush Oct 2014 #54
That OP is embarrassingly stupid, sorry. Marr Oct 2014 #58
Oh well, that's different. brush Oct 2014 #61
No, it isn't lying by omission. An individual is not a group. Marr Oct 2014 #63
IMO it's lying by omission brush Oct 2014 #64
"He knows things we don't that make it ok" is just as unconvincing now as it was Marr Oct 2014 #65
I'm talking about poor journalism not whether the bombing is the right thing to do brush Oct 2014 #66
It isn't flawed. Marr Oct 2014 #67
You obviously have no experience in journalism brush Oct 2014 #68
Hmmm, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist or anonymous internet "expert" riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #69
My whole career was in journalism — 30 plus years brush Oct 2014 #70
Ouch, 30 years in journalism and yet you pretend not to know what bobduca Oct 2014 #117
Fallacy my a _ _ brush Oct 2014 #127
Save the association fallacies. Marr Oct 2014 #71
You seem to be deliberately avoiding the issue brush Oct 2014 #72
You said his story was debunked by another post. It was not. Marr Oct 2014 #73
Yeah, whatever . . . brush Oct 2014 #98
Impressed by your level of analysis, and I am equally sickened by truedelphi Oct 2014 #130
"and everyone has a share!" shouted Milo, bvar22 Oct 2014 #133
I wish you hadn't said that - truedelphi Oct 2014 #135
A conspiracy in search of a purpose. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #5
They've turned the Bogeyman-of-the-day threat up to 11 too many times. Go for 12. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #6
No one believes anything anymore. That is what happens when people are lied to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #45
If you are not part of the upper five percent of all truedelphi Sep 2014 #7
It's easier to get more cannon fodder when the angry youth are desperate. nt valerief Sep 2014 #10
And when everyone is turned against each other Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #17
Well, divide and conquer is a given. Us versus Them. It's learned at an early age. valerief Sep 2014 #33
I guess he didn't see the videos or read the memos? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #8
They invent EVERY threat! nt valerief Sep 2014 #9
Even Pearl Harbor was a set up. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #40
Yup valerief Sep 2014 #48
Maybe Glenn would like to travel to Iraq and Syria to "report" on this first hand? George II Sep 2014 #12
!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #42
Perhaps you could emigrate to Putin's Russia? sibelian Oct 2014 #118
Not interested.... George II Oct 2014 #122
"Manufactured"...I don't know Dopers_Greed Sep 2014 #13
Fuck Greenwald and his toady Snowball IkeRepublican Sep 2014 #14
lol LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #18
If Greenwald reports it, you know it isn't true. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #16
He should make a "First Look" movie, and call it..."Desperately Seeking Hits". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #26
HA! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #28
All I had to see was "Greenwald" in the headline... Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #20
and those making the ad homs project their own "messenger not message" onto others KurtNYC Sep 2014 #30
They're always the same too, childish, without any substance. I remember the exact same sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #57
kick bobduca Oct 2014 #105
The preponderence of ad hominem in any discussion sibelian Oct 2014 #119
"Does anybody address the substance of his claims?" George II Oct 2014 #123
Really rtracey Sep 2014 #24
Oh, it's glen greenwald again. *yawn* Lil Missy Sep 2014 #32
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #36
Never forget that Assad and Putin are the "good guys" in Greenwald's universe.... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #37
Hmmm, I don't remember seeing... ljm2002 Oct 2014 #59
Show me a Greenwald story where he criticizes them... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #76
By that standard Greenwald supports Ebola. He's never commented on that either riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #80
But Greenwald isn't a biologist, is he? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #84
You think there's nothing to report about the Ebola outbreak? Really? riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #90
But that is not the claim you made, now is it? ljm2002 Oct 2014 #82
Using Greenwald's criticism that he has levied against Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #83
So basically your position is... ljm2002 Oct 2014 #85
Actually Alinsky, but I could quote any number of similar sentiments: Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #86
Well here's the thing... ljm2002 Oct 2014 #88
That's pretty desperate. There are three superpowers in the world. Any political journalist who has stevenleser Oct 2014 #106
The kind of analysis I'd expect from a Fox contributor bobduca Oct 2014 #107
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex Oct 2014 #110
In response to Juror #2... ljm2002 Oct 2014 #112
Juror #2 may have a point. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #128
Thanks for posting, and for Juror #2 bobduca Oct 2014 #113
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #46
Kick! grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #51
DURec leftstreet Oct 2014 #52
Kick bobduca Oct 2014 #55
clickbait.com. Greenwald should look into buying that domain. MineralMan Oct 2014 #60
"Salon Source?"....but, this isn't a "Click Bait" Site.. KoKo Oct 2014 #75
Thanks Koko, I wondered how long it would be before someone tried to discredit Democracy Now sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #115
Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #87
7 Years a Freeper trumps the Pulitzer Committee. I think not. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #108
What? Could you possibly have come up with anything less relevant? MineralMan Oct 2014 #109
As usual MM, you cut right to the chase. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #125
Here we go again. Here is a place you can get some information............. wandy Oct 2014 #77
Read & View Post #75...then get back to me...IF interested in "Discussion" KoKo Oct 2014 #81
Let me look at that one more time............ wandy Oct 2014 #94
Perhaps you read too swiftly....Here Again...: KoKo Oct 2014 #96
Well, a man sees what he wants to see and I'm still seeing the media as the problem...... wandy Oct 2014 #100
You're certainly right about our media. Which is why most of us here turned to more credible sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #131
A lot to consider here. One of my problems is I do not have a 'trusted source'............. wandy Oct 2014 #132
Here's a simple question for you. For how long have you been aware of either ISIS and/or sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #134
Good post. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #89
And thru the looking glass we go... countryjake Oct 2014 #95
Can we all agree now that GG is a lying sack of shit? baldguy Oct 2014 #91
Yes we must all agree! bobduca Oct 2014 #92
One of our own DUers debunked Greenwald with his/her own research Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #93
REALLY! Would love to have the OP and a Link to Source.. KoKo Oct 2014 #97
do tell! nt grasswire Oct 2014 #103
Then why are France, Britain and other countries also bombing? betsuni Oct 2014 #102
Not sure I agree with the decision to bomb, but Greenwald is wrong Arkana Oct 2014 #111
I'm waiting for GG's story about Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #129
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