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In reply to the discussion: The Academic Impostor Behind the Pit Bull Hysteria [View all]baldguy
(36,649 posts)57. And replies like this:
This article is built on spurious logic. Scapegoating one breed to pretend the problem isn't a much more complex issue than BSL ignores the reality that impotent, powerless, overcompensating tough guys can easily find an intimidating, highly loyal and aggressive breed to substitute for "pit bulls". The inadequacies in breeding, training, education, and recklessness of owners will not magically disappear with BSL. Secondly, it would indeed be shocking if the number of "pit bull" bites didn't decrease sharply. When you vilify, euthanize 1000's of "pit bulls", ban, and muzzle an entire breed, having dramatically lowered the number of pit bulls what other results are to be expected, other than "pit bull" bites will decrease. But you've done little to address the root problem: breeding practices, misinformation, poor training, reckless owners, uneducated dog owners....
As an owner of an English Bull Terrier, I fear for my preferred breed if this fallacious reasoning persists (as much as I don't care for Don Cherry, I wonder where the reputation & status of the breed would be without him). Many dog owners should also worry, should this kind of spurious thinking take hold. BSL is the quick answer not the right answer.
As an owner of an English Bull Terrier, I fear for my preferred breed if this fallacious reasoning persists (as much as I don't care for Don Cherry, I wonder where the reputation & status of the breed would be without him). Many dog owners should also worry, should this kind of spurious thinking take hold. BSL is the quick answer not the right answer.
And articles like this:
There is no evidence Ontarios Dog Owners Liability Act has resulted in fewer dog bites
http://www.thestar.com/life/2011/11/25/van_veen_wheres_the_data_that_shows_pit_bull_ban_is_working.html
And studies like this:
Toronto Humane Society Study Finds Breed Specific Legislation Has Not Reduced Dog Bites
https://www.facebook.com/notes/toronto-humane-society/ths-study-finds-breed-specific-legislation-has-not-reduced-dog-bites/384465083730
"If we want to reduce the number of dog bites we have to address the route cause of the problem, those irresponsible owners who do not appropriately care for their animals. Said Ian McConachie, Senior Communicator at the Toronto Humane Society. It is clear from these figures that the BSL aspects of the Dog Owners Liability Act has not worked to decrease the incidents of dog bites."
Pit bull ban not reducing dog bites in Ont.: THS
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/pit-bull-ban-not-reducing-dog-bites-in-ont-ths-1.507014#ixzz3FCe0fmR9
Ontario pit bull ban isn't working, Humane Society says
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/04/28/13747081.html
http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/pdfs/Breed_Specific_Legislation_Jan-14.pdf
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Basically, what you have here is a govt agency failing at it's job, trying to protect it's budget, and the animal professionals calling them out on their lies.
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I have pics of what my neighbor's pit did to me and my dachshund in my own yard.
Gore1FL
Oct 2014
#14
and you sued your neighbor, right? Your neighbor is totally responsible for all damages.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#29
carry some 'bear spray' when you walk about. Strays are a huge problem here in houston too.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#107
Yes, having the spray would be a good idea, though my son has asthma so he'd have to be very careful
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#122
did you bother to read beyond the post title? Is comparison beyond your comprehension?
hobbit709
Oct 2014
#42
i think the connection is on du anti vac gets scorned, ridiculed, shamed, and he was using that to
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#43
Dog haters, anti-vaxxers (and anti-abortionisists, too) all rely on unreasoned fear, spurious logic,
baldguy
Oct 2014
#58
dog haters? most of the people on this thread have dogs. that hardly shows them as dog haters, nt
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#92
You're claiming the mere possession of a canine precludes someone from being a dog hater?
baldguy
Oct 2014
#115
no. i am claiming, the mere discussion of, fear of, experience, with pit bulls, does not make a dog
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#117
Comparing a Pit Bull to a bear or a shark makes your protestations... unconvincing.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#123
"Comparing a Pit Bull to a bear or a shark makes your protestations... unconvincing." no. animals.
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#127
as an aside, all except 2? of the Vick dogs were retrained and adopted by families.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#138
having had my behavior affected by confrontation with pits, .... i know, lol. nt
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#157
the reality is, many of us have had experiences in our lives that have curtailed our behavior,
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#207
He truly is the worst sort of slimebag - hides behind animal welfare to kill them. Not to
jtuck004
Oct 2014
#2
All I want is for fucking people to keep their fucking animals on a leash, whatever breed.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#3
I don't know about your dog, but the little terrier that lives across the street from me is a terror
notadmblnd
Oct 2014
#17
I know what you mean! My friend has some cattle- dogs from the area come on his property & chase
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#34
+1. i had that experience last year. scared that crap out of me. keep dogs on their fuckin leash. nt
seabeyond
Oct 2014
#37
If you know you will need to pull your dog up off the pavement, why are you STILL using a "chock"
Jamastiene
Oct 2014
#204
Dirk's "facts" and the thing the little bird left on the rock are very similar
Drahthaardogs
Oct 2014
#215
What I meant is that breed of the dog has less to do than how they're raised
jeffrey_pdx
Oct 2014
#165
I had friends who had a female pitbull who I lived with for a couple of years.
CentralMass
Oct 2014
#10
It's the angle of the body with muscular front and smaller hind legs...
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#96
"We DO have a problem with stupid people deliberately breeding and keeping vicious dogs."
ColesCountyDem
Oct 2014
#156
Pit Bulls exist, but I'd be surprised if those were actually technically 4 pit bulls
Recursion
Oct 2014
#41
Merritt Clifton, an investigative reporter and former editor of Animal People.has a lot of books.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#38
Probably. Most of them are rescues, and are probably of the "Heinz 57" variety.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#101
People who say they "run a Pit rescue" are mistaken or making things up.
Hassin Bin Sober
Oct 2014
#113
Anyone such as you who blames all Pit Bulls and only Pit Bulls for the relatively few
baldguy
Oct 2014
#75
It doesn't matter. BSLs ban every Pit Bull - even if it's the most stable dog in the universe.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#81
We are not talking about BSL here. We are talking about your belief that pits are not genetically
Drahthaardogs
Oct 2014
#83
No. You stated they have "been bred for companion animals for 200 years" so...
Drahthaardogs
Oct 2014
#135
Your utter & complete faith in the charlatan Merritt Clifton has damaged your reasoning ability.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#121
Right. BSLs deal with Pit Bulls. They **DON'T** deal with the issue of dog bites.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#167
One more time: Dog bites in Toronto have not decreased in any significant way.
baldguy
Oct 2014
#170
Seems to me the total number of dog bites isn't that useful a number on it's own.
Captain Stern
Oct 2014
#213
The only dog that's ever ripped into one of mine, leaving us with a $900 vet bill,
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#84
because they're a cheap breed, very popular and 'the poor mans gun', a status symbol
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#141
sure, a lot of mutts are missIDed (i do DNA on my mutts) but pitts are in top 10 in popular 'pets'
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#184
more people mating those 'cheap poor quality pitts?',selling them cheap to bad homes.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#185
"Pit Humpers" .... are you intentionally trying to be rude and ignorant by using this term?
etherealtruth
Oct 2014
#142
England grew out of their dog fighting days in the 1800s when they banned some animal fights
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#198
sure you have 'gangbangers' who fight animals, but your society goes after animal cruelty-
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#200
It still does not alter the fact that I have never been attacked by pit bulls
intaglio
Oct 2014
#212
whatever, point is the USA has a HUGE, HUGE dog fighting industry..that is ignored.
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#202
Our society needs to be harsher on dog fighters & bad owners, not the 'dog breeds.'
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#196
No, the law requires a full muzzle. I use a gentle leader for training some dogs, works great!
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#211
I was going to get a Pit Bull but my vet said she wouldn't give him a circumcision
snooper2
Oct 2014
#197