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Fortinbras Armstrong

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68. He claims to support original intent
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:37 AM
Oct 2014

But is only when it suits him. For those one or two of you asking "What is original intent", Original intent, AKA "originalism", is a school of Constitutional interpretation that insists it should only be interpreted as the originalists suspect the original writers had in mind. There are a number of problems with originalism, starting with the fact that many of the framers of the Constitution disagreed with other framers. Another problem is determining the intent of the framers. But the major problem was expressed by Thomas Jefferson

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.

In other words, what makes the intent of the framers so sacrosanct?

Anyway, in the case of Gonzales v Raich, 545 U.S. 1 (2005), Angel Raich was growing marijuana for her own medicinal use -- which was legal under California law. The Supreme Court, in a 6-3 decision, held this to be illegal under Federal law. A concurring opinion was written by Scalia, who based the decision ultimately under the Interstate Commerce clause of the Constitution and the Necessary and Proper Clause, saying

Unlike the power to regulate activities that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, the power to enact laws enabling effective regulation of interstate commerce can only be exercised in conjunction with congressional regulation of an interstate market, and it extends only to those measures necessary to make the interstate regulation effective. As <US v Lopez, 514 US 549 (1995)> itself states, and the Court affirms today, Congress may regulate noneconomic intrastate activities only where the failure to do so “could ... undercut” its regulation of interstate commerce. ... This is not a power that threatens to obliterate the line between “what is truly national and what is truly local.

Interestingly enough, Justice O'Connor based her dissent on exactly the same case Scalia based his concurrance, Lopez. She said that Lopez placed limits on Federal use of the Interstate Commerce clause and Raich's use of marijuana came under those limits.

Clarence Thomas, of all people, said that the majority was wrong, saying that Raich grew and used

Marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything--and the Federal government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers. ... By holding that Congress may regulate activity that is neither interstate nor commerce under the Interstate Commerce Clause, the Court abandons any attempt to enforce the Constitution's limits on federal power.


Thomas wrote: "The Necessary and Proper Clause is not a warrant to Congress to enact any law that bears some conceivable connection to the exercise of an enumerated power". He went on to say "Congress presented no evidence in support of its conclusions, which are not so much findings of fact as assertions of power," and concluded: "Congress cannot define the scope of its own power merely by declaring the necessity of its enactments".

The gist of Thomas' dissent comes straight out of original intent:

Respondent's local cultivation and consumption of marijuana is not "Commerce ... among the several States". Certainly no evidence from the founding suggests that "commerce" included the mere possession of a good or some personal activity that did not involve trade or exchange for value. In the early days of the Republic, it would have been unthinkable that Congress could prohibit the local cultivation, possession, and consumption of marijuana.


I believe that here, Thomas is quite right, and Scalia only really supports "original intent" when he agrees with it.

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I'm sorry but why won't this rat bastard asshole piece of butt crust valerief Oct 2014 #1
No apology needed Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #11
Bwahahaha! Oh, if only praying worked... valerief Oct 2014 #19
Hahahahaha ellie Oct 2014 #35
Maybe Silent Clarence can go on vacation in his mobile home with a couple of work buddies. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #36
What you said. Initech Oct 2014 #41
Because Satan guarantees long life before eternity in Hell aquart Oct 2014 #71
I'd hate to see the painting he's got in his attic. eggplant Oct 2014 #78
Ah Scalia Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #2
Read this review of Scalia's book hifiguy Oct 2014 #6
He certainly is an intellectual fraud and those who tout his creeds are dishonest and/or have never kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #7
the good old MSM used to tout him as a rurallib Oct 2014 #24
That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one! Initech Oct 2014 #43
that was a really good read. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #46
Astute. aquart Oct 2014 #72
He's lost his footing. elleng Oct 2014 #3
delusional. Like Mike Hayden librechik Oct 2014 #4
And just what part of the Constitutional text hifiguy Oct 2014 #5
Tony is principled, to an extreme ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #42
FUAS nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2014 #8
Which Religions can it "favor" Fat Tony? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #9
Why, whichever ones hold the same values as Crash2Parties Oct 2014 #50
If Ginsburg is so concerned about laws in the states (like Texas) mr_liberal Oct 2014 #10
She doesn't exactly Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #12
Yes she does. mr_liberal Oct 2014 #13
Ah, I stand corrected then Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #15
No problem. mr_liberal Oct 2014 #16
Thanks for the link n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #17
Me, too. it's a third amendment issue. aquart Oct 2014 #73
Here's hoping the ebola outbreak gets that fathead Generic Other Oct 2014 #14
This story has better quotes Cartoonist Oct 2014 #18
That is very scary, not least because it illuminates an ignorant mind. Also, he apparently views WinkyDink Oct 2014 #20
That's horrific. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #21
WOW! How can somebody be so ignorant of history and on the Court? sinkingfeeling Oct 2014 #22
Time to impeach him. Orrex Oct 2014 #23
Such ignorance of our constitution is criminal in a Supreme Court Justice Nitram Oct 2014 #25
Scalia has been showing signs of increasing senility for some time Gothmog Oct 2014 #26
It is way past due that this asshole retire still_one Oct 2014 #27
Wow, he doesnt understand the most basic concept of our Constitution. CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #28
Excellent point CaptainTruth. appal_jack Oct 2014 #31
Which is interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #44
Scalia needs a hobby. reflection Oct 2014 #29
Or hunting smurfs Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #30
Forum needs a thumbs-up button Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #33
Competitive bleach drinking. bvf Oct 2014 #55
That reminds me of this classic Metalocalypse moment hifiguy Oct 2014 #61
So RBG needs to recuse herself from abortion cases because she has a uterus? Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #32
He Used The Word "Absurd"? ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #34
Professor David Strauss of the U of Chicago Law School hifiguy Oct 2014 #47
Yep, I Knew That ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #57
he shouldn't be on a school board, let alone the supreme court. spanone Oct 2014 #37
Judge Jackass can cram it Blue Owl Oct 2014 #38
Scalia is part of the cult Opus Dei. yardwork Oct 2014 #39
+1. And Clarence Thomas is a member of "THE FAMILY," another scary religious Cult in Washington DC. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #49
Okay, Scalia. Let's make the US an Islamic State and enact Sharia Law. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2014 #40
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH turbinetree Oct 2014 #45
Bible thumper. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #48
Everything Thomas Jefferson wrote runs contrary to this old fool. wolfie001 Oct 2014 #51
James Madison, too. hifiguy Oct 2014 #62
Who remembers Christine O'Donnell? pokerfan Oct 2014 #52
She had some godawful handlers. n/t. bvf Oct 2014 #56
That she is dumber than a sack of hammers didn't exactly help her cause. hifiguy Oct 2014 #63
Don't get me wrong bvf Oct 2014 #64
Says the guy that helped rob democracy. Rex Oct 2014 #53
Scalia has certainly "lost" it, that is, BlueMTexpat Oct 2014 #54
"He said many Europeans nations demonstrate that’s one possible way to run a government, the Brickbat Oct 2014 #58
Every time he speaks The Wizard Oct 2014 #59
Senility, all timers, hes got them all, BUT he always seems to pander to the right,,,,,, benld74 Oct 2014 #60
Scalia Is An Out And Out Embarrassment.... supercats Oct 2014 #65
How does Scalia define religion? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #66
I'm sure that he will also argue Helen Borg Oct 2014 #67
He claims to support original intent Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #68
Scalia saying someone else on SCOTUS needs to recuse themselves is rich, especially coming Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #69
Is Scalia Now Senile? DallasNE Oct 2014 #70
Has been for some time. aquart Oct 2014 #74
I wish he'd be taken home finally rpannier Oct 2014 #75
has the man lost his mind. barbtries Oct 2014 #76
this towering intellect's deep thinking on the court can be reduced to one simple sentence: unblock Oct 2014 #77
WTF. Seriously. Can't we impeach this asshole????? Avalux Oct 2014 #79
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