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Donald Ian Rankin

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36. No, they're not even close to being synonyms.

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 12:05 PM

Oct 2014

"Feminist" and "liberal" (and antifeminist and illiberal) are both properties a political position can have.

Most feminist political positions are liberal, but some are not.

It probably *is* true that all antifeminist positions are automatically also illiberal, though.

So feminism is almost, but not quite, a subset of liberalism, but not even close to being a synonym. There are plenty of liberal issues which are nothing to do with gender politics.

Feminist Nothing to do with feminism antifeminist

Liberal Lots Lots None

Neither A few Lots None

Illiberal A very few Lots Lots

Edit: my diagram has failed. Anyone know how to make this into a nice neat table, please?

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A special Venn diagram to pass on to any Islamophobes you may know... [View all] Turborama Oct 2014 OP

That is one scary looking Venn, with all the Muslims, you trying to fear monger some more? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #1

Now show the Venn diagram of those who promote equal rights. randome Oct 2014 #2

The same old tune, "they need to be stopped." But what does "stopped" mean? It's like "Whack-A- rhett o rick Oct 2014 #19

Bringing up Southeast Asia pointed to an obvious number 5 and sadly the most likely answer for many. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #29

Yes, it's Whack-A-Mole. The Muslim world is undergoing its own Reformation Period. randome Oct 2014 #35

Fear mongering, that's a statement or proclamation . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #42

KKK and other American Christian extrmists also oppose "equal rights." hunter Oct 2014 #20

America exports oil at record levels so I think seeing everything in terms of oil is simplistic. randome Oct 2014 #39

It has nothing to do with the levels of oil production in the U.S.A. hunter Oct 2014 #50

+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #43

well shit, of course Islamophobia is a horrid expression of hate cali Oct 2014 #3

MSM say's they're winning, it's not sympathizing with jihads, Do we support killing children ? orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #6

huh? your post hardly makes sense cali Oct 2014 #9

Ah, but does the alienation depend solely on non-Muslims? randome Oct 2014 #10

Your second question and its answer are utter BS. Turborama Oct 2014 #12

It's an eternal conflict, isn't it? randome Oct 2014 #13

There is nothing wrong with supporting freedom of thought and expression, but we have no rhett o rick Oct 2014 #28

Where do you get the idea that they feel the same about us? randome Oct 2014 #30

''The Muslim culture has no concept of romance or love.''? Seriously, you should stop. Turborama Oct 2014 #47

Prove me wrong. randome Oct 2014 #53

The "vast majority of Muslims" refuse to allow what, exactly? Turborama Oct 2014 #62

Arranged marriages. Giving children to husbands. Tell me this isn't a widespread practice. randome Oct 2014 #68

No, *giving children to husbands is not a widespread practice. Turborama Oct 2014 #78

I appreciate being able to have this discussion because I couldn't disagree with you more. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #61

I think we need to have zero relations with get the red out Oct 2014 #65

I am all for protecting the innocent around the world. But that's not at all what we do. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #69

Why bomb anyone? get the red out Oct 2014 #75

What in the world are you talking about? pangaia Oct 2014 #18

All the 'magic clothing' religions are equally ridiculous, IMO. randome Oct 2014 #32

Indonesia, Turkey. cali Oct 2014 #48

I am curious which religion you belong to. One that doesn't put women at a lower level than men. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #71

I've often said the only thing I will ever call myself is a human being. Nothing more, nothing less. randome Oct 2014 #79

I like the sentiment, but don't you belong to the American "club" and the "Democratic" club? nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #80

I LOVE YOUR POST!!! get the red out Oct 2014 #76

Sorry for Whatever but, I never trivialized anything as in " So What " , orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #16

Again, I fail to see what Fonda has to do with this cali Oct 2014 #22

Not to try to speak for cali but " it sounds like you ostracize a ton of views ." rhett o rick Oct 2014 #24

The Views attached to the diagram were the " Views " I meant or orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #38

Your argument makes no sense. Maybe if you'd use statements of how you feel rhett o rick Oct 2014 #23

Thanks orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #31

Some very good questions Turborama Oct 2014 #8

Yes. More interconnectedness will, in the long run, be the death-knell of fundamentalism. randome Oct 2014 #11

Goodness. You understand that capitalism and communism (as practiced in Russia and China, rhett o rick Oct 2014 #34

Pretty well said. pangaia Oct 2014 #45

Communism as practiced by the old USSR and its satellite nations clearly lost out. randome Oct 2014 #51

oligarchy indeed justabob Oct 2014 #77

Is it fearmongering get the red out Oct 2014 #4

What's an Islamic country? n/t Turborama Oct 2014 #5

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Brunei MNBrewer Oct 2014 #14

Islamic States EX500rider Oct 2014 #33

I'm not sure that's how the term is usually used. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #41

Nearly. The normal term is ''Muslim majority country''. Turborama Oct 2014 #46

Majority Islamic religion get the red out Oct 2014 #63

Well, there aren't "many" of them (Muslim majority countries where there is no religious freedom). Turborama Oct 2014 #73

Some informative reading get the red out Oct 2014 #74

Feminism and Liberalism are synonymous . Unless you mean " good Liberal " like orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #7

No, they're not even close to being synonyms. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #36

I got it and the reading attached, Your diagram showed how we make the exception the rule . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #54

Thank you get the red out Oct 2014 #64

There are many female Muslims who fight for equal rights but still continue to be Muslim. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #60

So? get the red out Oct 2014 #66

one of the most dangerous places on earth for women is India, yet we still whereisjustice Oct 2014 #15

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #17

That's a slight exaggeration. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #40

You are wrong. And your response is EXACTLY the problem with Democratic elite whereisjustice Oct 2014 #44

It is a two front attack. One method does not preclude the other. Fighting ISIS rhett o rick Oct 2014 #56

Good pt, Lockheed Martin get's to hire s/w eng and IT from the slums of India to help whereisjustice Oct 2014 #57

That's true get the red out Oct 2014 #67

I think you're being rude in not considering the feelings of... TlalocW Oct 2014 #21

It's rude to actual Venn diagrams. eggplant Oct 2014 #26

true mathphobes wouldn't have clicked through the subject line ;) unblock Oct 2014 #27

At least one American Muslim supports ISIS Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #25

So the red dot should be tangential to the blue lozenge? Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #37

If you think the only American Muslim who supports ISIS Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #49

I think there are about 1000-2000 pixels in the blue lozenge. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #52

The ambiguos things we are told to fear for 13yrs, is scarey . Ike was right orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #55

Bust out the crayons and add some more colors to those circles. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #58

K&R liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #59

So, we shouldn't worry about R-W militias, either, because....small in toto? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #70

No, that analogy would be: Don't hate all Americans because a few of them belong to RW militias Turborama Oct 2014 #72