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kestrel91316

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12. He was transported in the ambulance after Duncan. It had no doubt

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 02:07 PM

Oct 2014

had a cursory "cleaning" by the crew, but if they suspected Ebola they might have been scared and done a halfway job. Then homeless dude comes along, makes contact with residual crud, fails to maintain personal hygiene, virus contacts his mucous membranes in whatever orifice or via a small skin break. Wanders off in a drunken/drugged/psychotic stupor, makes contact with unknown others as he comes down with a fever. Maybe craps in the gutter, pukes all over sidewalks in a 5 block area, spits on some random passers by, and Bob's your uncle .

It's that easy for this to blow up in our faces.

Public health has to be thinking three steps ahead of the virus to head it off at the pass. I don't think they're up to it. The second they found him the first time and saw he was homeless they should have quietly invited him to stay in a hotel with 24/7 supervision for 21 days.

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Re Dallas: There is still ONE contact who is running around (Updated: found him) [View all] kestrel91316 Oct 2014 OP

"We got this. Move along. Nothing to see, folks. Zero chance. We've done this before. valerief Oct 2014 #1

Wonder how many public restrooms he's used? That's the real fear, IMO. That's where TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2

According to the OP he is very active, 'running around hither and tither'. Sick people don't run Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #3

You can be symptomatic and still get around, for a least a few days. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #4

If he gets sick, he will probably not get medical attention. He will not check himself into an JDPriestly Oct 2014 #5

Yes all of that is true but it is still not exactly accurate nor responsible to paint images of Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #13

See the post below this for the link. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #8

Is this the same person?..... Little Star Oct 2014 #6

That's him. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #7

Whoa. cwydro Oct 2014 #9

I'm reading on another site he was in the same ambulance as Duncan B2G Oct 2014 #10

He was transported after Mr Ducan herding cats Oct 2014 #11

He was transported in the ambulance after Duncan. It had no doubt kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #12

So they had him? cwydro Oct 2014 #15

Some idjit took his word that he'd show up somewhere every day to get looked at kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #16

I hadn't even heard about this until I saw it here. cwydro Oct 2014 #19

Do you really believe an ambulance crew would be scared and done a halfway job if they knew it was uppityperson Oct 2014 #17

People can and do do boneheaded things when they are scared and/or in denial. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #22

Or thave taken the ambulance out of service B2G Oct 2014 #24

They found him, please edit your OP. They are calling him a low risk, minimal risk and yes uppityperson Oct 2014 #25

Not to speak for the OP, but B2G Oct 2014 #27

Cleaning up Ebola-contaminated environments, as we saw kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #32

"if they suspected Ebola they might have been scared and done a halfway job." THIS is the insultq uppityperson Oct 2014 #33

When people get something like this out of left field and it scares them, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #36

People make mistakes, but claiming they did not clean ON PURPOSE because they were scared, yet kept uppityperson Oct 2014 #42

thank you, uppityperson magical thyme Oct 2014 #31

Let's hope they find him soon. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #14

Duh. Frieden constantly reassures us that by tracing ALL contacts and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #18

They found him. uppityperson Oct 2014 #23

Thanks for the heads-up. =) nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #74

Boy, that's some fear mongering language right there. nolabear Oct 2014 #20

I can't anticipate the millions of ways my word choice might offend people. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #30

As do we all. nolabear Oct 2014 #57

HE HAS BEEN FOUND and is in low risk group and so far none in the high risk living with uppityperson Oct 2014 #21

Excellent. And now he needs to be kept confined and guarded like the 4 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #26

Please edit your OP title to reflect he has been found. Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2014 #28

Oh thx i forgot to do that kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #29

"kept guarded", "escape the net" ? Discouraging and unfortunate framing for all of this. pinto Oct 2014 #34

Actually, violating medical isolation in a way that results in harm to others is very likely a CRIME kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #37

"willfully negligent" is likely the key operative in your point of view. pinto Oct 2014 #63

Everyone told to isolate in this situation is told how, and why, and the consequences of failure to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #65

Was the homeless guy willfully negligent? Was there willful intent there? Was he told how and why? pinto Oct 2014 #70

Perhaps he's mentally incompetent, a drunk or druggie, in which case he is an even bigger threat. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #72

In my experience, all public health personell take infectious diseases seriously. pinto Oct 2014 #73

That poster also wants to deport infected people. morningfog Oct 2014 #40

Wrong. I did say that anybody who lies, committing a crime, about ebola exposure to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #41

Are the family members citizens? morningfog Oct 2014 #43

In that statement I am assuming no citizens are involved. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #45

Maybe you are too freaked out to rationally discuss morningfog Oct 2014 #46

I'm not freaked out, rofl. I am just extremely angry at people like you who kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #50

Oh you're an expert!?! Lol! morningfog Oct 2014 #52

I have always wanted to visit Florida, seems like some really interesting places there. uppityperson Oct 2014 #55

I have a BS in Microbiology. We studied virology and immunology until we were sick to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #67

I see what you are about. You believe that public health measures are unnecessary and that CDC kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #47

I think her point was deporting US citizens for breaking quarantine is wrong uppityperson Oct 2014 #49

The poster is simply blinded by fear, rage, and self-importance. morningfog Oct 2014 #53

Don't assume anything about me, thanks. morningfog Oct 2014 #51

I have never said citizens should be deported. Exactly how does one do that?????? kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #44

Wonder why they're taking him to the hospital cwydro Oct 2014 #35

Temporary secure holding in case he develops a fever before they set him up in a nice comfy hotel kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #38

They dropped the ball with the first patient Warpy Oct 2014 #54

Well at least now with all these contacts, if any of them wind up with so much as a sniffle, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #56

The amount of money that any of us cwydro Oct 2014 #66

Thanks for the correct updated information. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #61

How, how, how could they have allowed him to slip back into the homeless population? pnwmom Oct 2014 #39

I assume he said he would check in every day. He probably really intended to. But kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #48

They found him and his isn't symptomatic, no harm. morningfog Oct 2014 #58

They were lucky. But they might have lost him, and he could have gotten sick among other homeless pnwmom Oct 2014 #59

This was a horrifying slip-up. They probably just took him at his word that he'd stay in touch. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60

I will. People with a home didn't follow orders, homeless guy didn't either. uppityperson Oct 2014 #62

Homeless men are highly likely to have drug, alcohol, and/or mental health issues, all of which kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #64

Could have been being advised to stay home rather than ordered to, combined with lack of food uppityperson Oct 2014 #68

The no food and no plans for school issues was a failure on local PH's part. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #69

They were "advised" to start. When they disregarded the advice, that's when PH went and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #71