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pinto

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34. "kept guarded", "escape the net" ? Discouraging and unfortunate framing for all of this.

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 03:03 PM

Oct 2014

Standard public health protocol is contact tracing. That's meant as a benefit to all parties in the picture. An individual who may have some risk of exposure, other possible contacts and so on down the line. It's meant to provide support, medical monitoring and treatment if necessary.

It's not a law enforcement round up. Setting it in that framework hampers the medical, public health goals. The guy's not a criminal. Health officials want to help him if needed and enlist his support for contact tracing.

(aside) Ambulances are routinely cleaned after each transport - this virus is fragile outside the body and disinfection is pretty straightforward. A homeless individual may not have been aware of the secondary aspects of his ambulance transport. He may not have regular access to news reports or such.

This media fueled tone is really disturbing, imo.

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Re Dallas: There is still ONE contact who is running around (Updated: found him) [View all] kestrel91316 Oct 2014 OP

"We got this. Move along. Nothing to see, folks. Zero chance. We've done this before. valerief Oct 2014 #1

Wonder how many public restrooms he's used? That's the real fear, IMO. That's where TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2

According to the OP he is very active, 'running around hither and tither'. Sick people don't run Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #3

You can be symptomatic and still get around, for a least a few days. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #4

If he gets sick, he will probably not get medical attention. He will not check himself into an JDPriestly Oct 2014 #5

Yes all of that is true but it is still not exactly accurate nor responsible to paint images of Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #13

See the post below this for the link. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #8

Is this the same person?..... Little Star Oct 2014 #6

That's him. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #7

Whoa. cwydro Oct 2014 #9

I'm reading on another site he was in the same ambulance as Duncan B2G Oct 2014 #10

He was transported after Mr Ducan herding cats Oct 2014 #11

He was transported in the ambulance after Duncan. It had no doubt kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #12

So they had him? cwydro Oct 2014 #15

Some idjit took his word that he'd show up somewhere every day to get looked at kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #16

I hadn't even heard about this until I saw it here. cwydro Oct 2014 #19

Do you really believe an ambulance crew would be scared and done a halfway job if they knew it was uppityperson Oct 2014 #17

People can and do do boneheaded things when they are scared and/or in denial. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #22

Or thave taken the ambulance out of service B2G Oct 2014 #24

They found him, please edit your OP. They are calling him a low risk, minimal risk and yes uppityperson Oct 2014 #25

Not to speak for the OP, but B2G Oct 2014 #27

Cleaning up Ebola-contaminated environments, as we saw kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #32

"if they suspected Ebola they might have been scared and done a halfway job." THIS is the insultq uppityperson Oct 2014 #33

When people get something like this out of left field and it scares them, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #36

People make mistakes, but claiming they did not clean ON PURPOSE because they were scared, yet kept uppityperson Oct 2014 #42

thank you, uppityperson magical thyme Oct 2014 #31

Let's hope they find him soon. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #14

Duh. Frieden constantly reassures us that by tracing ALL contacts and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #18

They found him. uppityperson Oct 2014 #23

Thanks for the heads-up. =) nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #74

Boy, that's some fear mongering language right there. nolabear Oct 2014 #20

I can't anticipate the millions of ways my word choice might offend people. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #30

As do we all. nolabear Oct 2014 #57

HE HAS BEEN FOUND and is in low risk group and so far none in the high risk living with uppityperson Oct 2014 #21

Excellent. And now he needs to be kept confined and guarded like the 4 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #26

Please edit your OP title to reflect he has been found. Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2014 #28

Oh thx i forgot to do that kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #29

"kept guarded", "escape the net" ? Discouraging and unfortunate framing for all of this. pinto Oct 2014 #34

Actually, violating medical isolation in a way that results in harm to others is very likely a CRIME kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #37

"willfully negligent" is likely the key operative in your point of view. pinto Oct 2014 #63

Everyone told to isolate in this situation is told how, and why, and the consequences of failure to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #65

Was the homeless guy willfully negligent? Was there willful intent there? Was he told how and why? pinto Oct 2014 #70

Perhaps he's mentally incompetent, a drunk or druggie, in which case he is an even bigger threat. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #72

In my experience, all public health personell take infectious diseases seriously. pinto Oct 2014 #73

That poster also wants to deport infected people. morningfog Oct 2014 #40

Wrong. I did say that anybody who lies, committing a crime, about ebola exposure to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #41

Are the family members citizens? morningfog Oct 2014 #43

In that statement I am assuming no citizens are involved. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #45

Maybe you are too freaked out to rationally discuss morningfog Oct 2014 #46

I'm not freaked out, rofl. I am just extremely angry at people like you who kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #50

Oh you're an expert!?! Lol! morningfog Oct 2014 #52

I have always wanted to visit Florida, seems like some really interesting places there. uppityperson Oct 2014 #55

I have a BS in Microbiology. We studied virology and immunology until we were sick to kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #67

I see what you are about. You believe that public health measures are unnecessary and that CDC kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #47

I think her point was deporting US citizens for breaking quarantine is wrong uppityperson Oct 2014 #49

The poster is simply blinded by fear, rage, and self-importance. morningfog Oct 2014 #53

Don't assume anything about me, thanks. morningfog Oct 2014 #51

I have never said citizens should be deported. Exactly how does one do that?????? kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #44

Wonder why they're taking him to the hospital cwydro Oct 2014 #35

Temporary secure holding in case he develops a fever before they set him up in a nice comfy hotel kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #38

They dropped the ball with the first patient Warpy Oct 2014 #54

Well at least now with all these contacts, if any of them wind up with so much as a sniffle, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #56

The amount of money that any of us cwydro Oct 2014 #66

Thanks for the correct updated information. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #61

How, how, how could they have allowed him to slip back into the homeless population? pnwmom Oct 2014 #39

I assume he said he would check in every day. He probably really intended to. But kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #48

They found him and his isn't symptomatic, no harm. morningfog Oct 2014 #58

They were lucky. But they might have lost him, and he could have gotten sick among other homeless pnwmom Oct 2014 #59

This was a horrifying slip-up. They probably just took him at his word that he'd stay in touch. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60

I will. People with a home didn't follow orders, homeless guy didn't either. uppityperson Oct 2014 #62

Homeless men are highly likely to have drug, alcohol, and/or mental health issues, all of which kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #64

Could have been being advised to stay home rather than ordered to, combined with lack of food uppityperson Oct 2014 #68

The no food and no plans for school issues was a failure on local PH's part. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #69

They were "advised" to start. When they disregarded the advice, that's when PH went and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #71