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In reply to the discussion: The Academic Impostor Behind the Pit Bull Hysteria [View all]Drahthaardogs
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How many fucking ways do you want me to say it? How many examples of responsible breeding do you want me to give? I cannot help you if you will not accept a UNIVERSAL TRUTH held by all serious dogmen. Mom and Dad throw puppies A LOT like them. If you have shit for a breeding control program, you end up with a lot of fucked up dogs. It is not a big deal when you are talking about a 25 pound cocker spaniel (and I use that breed because they were ruined by unscrupulous breeding in the seventies) versus a 65 lb dog of great power.
You give an example of a chained dog going crazy as proof of "socialization". Again, bullshit. You know why? Because if that dog did not have a GENETIC PROPENSITY to violence it would not matter. Case in point. I know of hundreds of english pointers down south who live on a chain with a 55-gallon barrel as a home. They are taken out for training on birds or actual hunting, then back on the chain. Right or wrong they spend about 20 hours of every day on a chain; it is how they have done it down south for generations.
You know what those dogs do when they manage to get loose? THEY GO QUAIL HUNTING BY THEMSELVES! They don't go fucking maul the neighbor lady's cats. They don't gang up and kill the five year old playing soccer. If they run into an old lady carrying groceries, they IGNORE HER and keep on hunting quail. They have NO PROPENSITY TO go on the attack. IT IS NOT IN THEIR GENES.
And for the record, ANY STABLE dog does not see the four year old neighbor kid as a THREAT! A dog that goes out of his way to run that kid down and attack --that dog, is a fucking mental mess!
Anyway, I do not fault the breed per se. I blame irresponsible people, much like you do. Except I KNOW that you can TRAIN around aggression and direct it, but you CANNOT SIMPLY LOVE IT AWAY. In fact, that is OFTEN the worst thing you can do.
My point is, has been, and always will be, these dogs have a genetic tendency to power and violence. The whole idea that more "love" is going to control that adequately is bunk. Owning a powerful aggressive breed means MORE responsibility is required. More training. Stricter breeding controls and MORE LIBERAL EUTHANASIA OF IMPROPERLY AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS. I am very logical and very pragmatic about it.
For the record, I still train but I quit breeding years ago. I found that there were others who were far better at it than I was and I was better off training and leaving breeding to those with more time, money, knowledge, and better facilities.