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Savannahmann

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39. We might not think about it, but the rest of the world certainly would.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 08:17 PM
Oct 2014

Trivia question, what ended the Black Death? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

It wasn't science, it was a breakdown of travel and interpersonal communication. In other words, people went and hid. They isolated any community that had it, and anyone who went near the community that had it.

This technique of plague isolation continues through to today. While we know what transmitted the plague now, ignorance having lost out to science, the best treatment remains isolation. Not just of the individual, but of the community. Plague Islands outside ports where people suspected of having the plague were to remain was exceedingly common even through the 19th Century. The Black Flag flying over a ship meant plague aboard, STAY AWAY.

The problem is that in these nations we're talking about, isolation of the patients is impossible. It's not happening. Isolation of the communities isn't happening either. It's spreading, and with a lead time of a couple weeks, it's possible to think you aren't sick, until it's too late you're infecting those around you, continuing the spread.

So what if Ebola was running rampant in the US. We might well see this happening. What will the world do? Bet money that many of them start to cancel flights. But we should be doing that anyway already.

Look at the map of the affected areas.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/distribution-map.html

There is a lot of that map in the corner, the one of the world, where there are no outbreaks. Yes, we need to provide assistance for those areas with outbreaks, but we also need to make every effort that the rest of that map remains clear. You don't help anyone by getting the damned thing yourself, or spreading it.

If you are sick with this damned bug, how can you help anyone? If Doctors are working on you, using supplies on you in Dallas, how can those supplies be used in Africa? As we've learned there is a finite amount of this treatment that seems to work. It's apparently rare, and difficult to manufacture. We probably won't have enough of a supply of it before the epidemic burns itself out. But it won't burn itself out if we don't prevent it from spreading. Restrictions of flights may include 21 day waits while people are screened every day for the virus in an isolated environment. The point is, before we can stop it, we have to stop the spread. That isn't cruelty. That is basic public health. Stop the shit from spreading first, then you can keep the victims at a manageable level.

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"Restrictions"? Yes, I do. Greater scrutiny is a restriction. Checking for symptoms is, as well. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
Agree, completely. 2banon Oct 2014 #12
I would support travel restrictions to/from anywhere in the midst of a dangerous epidemic like this. stevenleser Oct 2014 #2
Thanks for posting this customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #3
One of the few things you've ever said that I agree with. Excellent points. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #34
Well, you know what they say customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #44
hahahaha!! kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #45
I said oppose PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #4
Pass. The question is too broad. MineralMan Oct 2014 #5
It would depend on how detectable ebola is in early stages.......... wandy Oct 2014 #6
I can imagine restrictions that I would support, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7
"...dehumanizing and terrible..." customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #10
I have never considered being sick as dehumanizing, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11
Well, the Repukes customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #14
People in that state , would not be likely to travel much SoCalDem Oct 2014 #16
That's why customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #18
But only if it does not cost any of their precious money SoCalDem Oct 2014 #19
Oh, when it comes to war customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #21
++++++++++++++++ uppityperson Oct 2014 #25
You. Do. Not. Bleed. From. Every. Orifice. In. Your. Body. uppityperson Oct 2014 #24
How is that relevant. branford Oct 2014 #32
If "dead is dead", then according to you being killed in a car wreck is the same. uppityperson Oct 2014 #38
You missed my point. branford Oct 2014 #41
Thank you. And you missed mine, that accurate information is necessary uppityperson Oct 2014 #46
Oh, if you live long enough (highly unlikely), that DIC will have bloody virus-laden fluid oozing kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #35
I have taken care of people with DIC and that is wrong. From every pore in your body? uppityperson Oct 2014 #36
When the capillaries fall apart it does happen. Maybe human skin is different enough from dog skin. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #40
My quick search of Ebola symptoms turned up the following customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #47
I never made the claim ebola is like "ordinary cold or flu". uppityperson Oct 2014 #48
Shock and organ failure do indeed kill customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #49
Does seem like most people are fear based. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #42
I see absolutely nothing "dehumanizing" about TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #53
Like I said, I can imagine restrictions I would be OK with. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #54
Yes, like 30 day waits for visas TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #55
If I were a legislator, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #56
I favor sensible "restrictions" over an outright regional "ban" rocktivity Oct 2014 #8
Like the "back in 10 minutes" signs on store door? SoCalDem Oct 2014 #20
Anyone who wants to buy a ticket gets the first test rocktivity Oct 2014 #37
None at all. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #9
So hard to contract? former9thward Oct 2014 #23
"Without additional interventions or changes in community behavior" is the point uppityperson Oct 2014 #26
Tell that to all the doctors and health care people who have died. former9thward Oct 2014 #28
wtf? The vast majority of people who have caught it were caregivers for others already sick. uppityperson Oct 2014 #30
The question is too broad, needs to be more specific as "restrictions" has a wide range uppityperson Oct 2014 #13
Panic is not a strategy. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #15
Prevention is not panic. PADemD Oct 2014 #51
It depends. Can't answer your poll. Avalux Oct 2014 #17
It really depends. branford Oct 2014 #22
Oppose cwydro Oct 2014 #27
what would the poll look like the u.s. were the epicenter of the ebola outbreak? unblock Oct 2014 #29
We might not think about it, but the rest of the world certainly would. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #39
+1000 PADemD Oct 2014 #50
Restrictions, yes: much improved screening, perhaps mandatory followup or at least more kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #31
It does not appear there is any reason to do that treestar Oct 2014 #33
I basically agree. branford Oct 2014 #43
Do you shoot down planes leaving West Africa? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #52
Both the infectious and the contaigous must be kept from traveling from Ebola-affected countries rocktivity Oct 2014 #57
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