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ZombieHorde

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64. I'm not an HRC supporter, but I don't think this article is fair.

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:09 PM

Oct 2014

Speaking of getting fooled, what sane person would ever vote for Hillary Clinton for president? Honestly, wouldn't that be like voting for Barack Obama in 2008 all over again -- as if his presidency had never happened -- as if we hadn't already experienced the deceitful pirouette from populist rhetoric to corporate governance. What idiot would allow herself to be conned into voting for someone who says one thing but who does the opposite, after having been conned into voting for someone who said and did the exact same thing once already?

Different people have different values. Values are subjective, and have little to do with sanity or intelligence, as far as I know. HRC has done a lot for women's rights around the world, and many people value that. I value that. I am very anti-war, but some people are more open to violent solutions than I am. My guess is because some people value punishing/stopping "evil people" more than helping "innocent people."

President Obama and Former SOS Clinton are very much to the right of me, but I won't deny their commitment to some of the issues I value. I don't expect everyone to be as socialist as I am. I don't expect everyone to be comfortable with the liberties I want my fellow humans to enjoy. I don't expect people to value peace, love, and forgiveness more than bureaucracy, hierarchy, and tradition. However, I will still advocate for the things I value.

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Vote for Hillary? Can't Get Fooled Again [View all] NorthCarolina Oct 2014 OP

What a complete load of bullshit. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #1

Bingo! BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #4

Ah, more label BS. Dawgs Oct 2014 #8

"...I would rather vote for a Republican..." oooo K... Can we count you as a person who'll BELEIVE uponit7771 Oct 2014 #9

Thanks for completely missing my point. Dawgs Oct 2014 #12

Thanks for completely missing my point. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #14

I didn't miss it. There's a reason you don't like Bernie and it's not the one you're throwing out. Dawgs Oct 2014 #18

Yeah, you actually did miss it because you're blinded by your preconceived notions that anybody BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #36

There we have it. "He's too extreme" which means he's un-electable, so let's not even try. Dawgs Oct 2014 #41

Variables and political skill matters. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #65

I agree with you. I think Sanders is a long shot because of his weaknesses. Dawgs Oct 2014 #90

My answer? So far on our side? Only Hillary Clinton. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #112

If always being a Democrat is your criterion, you've just ruled out both Hillary and Warren. merrily Oct 2014 #103

Not my criterion. I was referring to that of a-political voters. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #108

Bernie isn't the slightest bit extreme. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #99

That's not how he'll be projected by Republican billionaires. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #116

I believe we are more likely to see Social Security and Medicare Enthusiast Oct 2014 #149

JUST WTF is that... Historic NY Oct 2014 #20

Huh? Dawgs Oct 2014 #25

Can you name a republican that holds that position? If not, then that is pure hyperbola still_one Oct 2014 #28

Of course I can't. They don't exist. Dawgs Oct 2014 #31

If that happened they wouldn't be a republican anymore, at least by present definition. Would still_one Oct 2014 #56

Exactly what I'm saying. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #58

I know still_one Oct 2014 #88

making a stand by using an imaginary gnome isn't much of a stand Sheepshank Oct 2014 #128

The stand I'm taking is that I will support anyone that is truly far left, regardless of label. Dawgs Oct 2014 #132

Party vote weighs in heavily in my decision, see my post #131 n/t Sheepshank Oct 2014 #134

S/he'd be lucky to name a Democratic politician who holds all those positions. merrily Oct 2014 #102

I agree completely, no more party before Country. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #71

I thought this was a site for what remains sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #29

Actually, this is a site that supports the Democratic Party, to elect MORE Democrats, and BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #38

You blindly support the Democratic Party sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #43

Well, I'm not so arrogant to I believe that the Democratic Party is solely a liberal Party, BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #50

No, it is the Consevative "Democrats" that need to go. JEB Oct 2014 #73

Once upon a time, sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #75

Neoliberals are way too much like Republicans. merrily Oct 2014 #105

+1, that is it in a nutshell. Marr Oct 2014 #126

Be careful what you wish for. merrily Oct 2014 #104

Not wishing for that at all. And I'm not as certain as you BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #114

I was not reading on DU in 2008. From what I have read on DU, I am merrily Oct 2014 #115

I couldn't stay on DU during the 2008 presidential primaries. Too contentious. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #117

That's about all I see on DU about the 2008 primary season--contentious. merrily Oct 2014 #118

based on the lock-step of Senate and Congressional Republican vote... Sheepshank Oct 2014 #131

Sure that's all you want him to change? n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #7

I have enough sense to know that it will cause a split giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #10

So you didn't read the OP? Dawgs Oct 2014 #11

No, I read the piece of shit OP & like I said unless giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #13

Makes you wonder BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #16

Nice. Another deflection. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #19

Nope. Truth. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #39

Well, since I'm the only one that could know, it's not "Truth". n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #44

Yeah. And you're all-knowing. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #52

You're not all-knowing about what you believe. Dawgs Oct 2014 #54

Just readin' the writin' on the wall and wonderin', Dawgs. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #59

No. I find it weird that you don't what you feel. Dawgs Oct 2014 #89

Huh? eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #107

But that argument is BS, and I think you know this, because Bernie said he would change to D.. Dawgs Oct 2014 #17

Sanders can say he's going to change it all day long... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #21

So why the rabid dislike of Bernie? No one has declared they are running yet as a Democrat. Dawgs Oct 2014 #23

Ok, again read it slowly this time.... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #26

Good. Because, as I've mentioned, Bernie said he's running as Democrat. Dawgs Oct 2014 #27

IF Senator Sanders goes against his own principles and changes from I to D BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #45

Works for me. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #48

Here's the thing BobbyBoring Oct 2014 #49

Don't know if we don't try. Bernie's position are all extremely popular with most Americans. Dawgs Oct 2014 #51

If he goes D I'm good, never said otherwise. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #60

I got that you vote for (and against) labels a long time ago. Dawgs Oct 2014 #61

You make total sense rtracey Oct 2014 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #82

Thank you giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #83

Well, considering 60-80% of the ENTIRE country agrees with Bernie, it shouldn't be that hard. Dawgs Oct 2014 #91

We are not wrong rtracey Oct 2014 #93

I'm not talking about Democrats. I'm talking about the ENTIRE country. Dawgs Oct 2014 #95

k rtracey Oct 2014 #150

I hope he does run in the Democratic primary, but he has merrily Oct 2014 #135

What difference does it make sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #33

When a Republican is elected, Democrats oppose wars of choice. Maedhros Oct 2014 #68

All part of the manufacturing of consent JEB Oct 2014 #76

When was the last time this country sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #86

Indeed. It's high time citizens put a stop to that behavior. Maedhros Oct 2014 #87

apparently you missed the recent Supreme Court Decisions. Sheepshank Oct 2014 #133

Yeah, filing a voter registration form in Vermont is such a strenuous effort. jeff47 Oct 2014 #63

Yup. Those who convinced themselves that Obama would be perfect pnwmom Oct 2014 #147

I agree with this NV Whino Oct 2014 #2

Don't need it. I could care less what defenders of the status quo have to say. nt NorthCarolina Oct 2014 #22

Not bullshit at all. Thanks. Scuba Oct 2014 #3

I think you're right rock Oct 2014 #5

Remember Jerry Brown being the last man standing before Clinton won the nomination? brewens Oct 2014 #6

No more 3rd Way, no more Clintons. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #24

What if another Clinton wins the presidential primaries? Will you support them BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #40

No more 3rd Way, no more Clintons. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #46

So, the answer is ... my way or the highway? Okay. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #55

No. No more than yours is. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #67

Who are you going to vote for, the Republican (TM) FlatStanley Oct 2014 #30

That thinking worked out great in 2010 Mnpaul Oct 2014 #137

That's the thinking demanded here. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #141

Some people here think it is like a contest Mnpaul Oct 2014 #142

Agreed. Ironically Hamilton was felled by a bullet FlatStanley Oct 2014 #143

�so let the Republicans take over completely? librechik Oct 2014 #32

They already have. sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #34

I so agree with you heaven05 Oct 2014 #77

of course "we" can stupidicus Oct 2014 #35

Papa Paul is dancing a jig! Cryptoad Oct 2014 #37

Hillary 2016........... stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #42

One thing I learned over the years about elections... Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #47

ABSOLUTELY! Our democracy has been captured through the primaries. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #109

We need to be real here. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #53

"Hate brigade?" Maedhros Oct 2014 #69

Interesting response. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #74

Gender and popularity? Really? sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #96

Don't think you read what I typed. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #122

Right. sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #127

Still think you are replying to the wrong person. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #129

Here is a little light reading for you. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #130

liked by who? reddread Oct 2014 #100

Liked by who? NCTraveler Oct 2014 #123

warren will run reddread Oct 2014 #145

Unbelievably patronizing and condescending. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #110

The author used the not "sane" line. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #125

Most of my response stemmed from your pretentious opinion on middle school language. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #140

The only way (and the likely way) I would ever vote for Hillary. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #57

Freedom of choice is what you've got. Maedhros Oct 2014 #70

No, I want freedom of choice, but I want some good choices to pick from. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #148

Fail to vote against whatever asshole the GOP shits out? Orsino Oct 2014 #62

I'm not an HRC supporter, but I don't think this article is fair. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #64

We fucked up. jeff47 Oct 2014 #66

Thank you DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #85

After reading the comments, I will add my own. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #72

makes one have heaven05 Oct 2014 #81

"Dr." Warren? OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #119

sure heaven05 Oct 2014 #121

Fine. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #136

No, not vs heaven05 Oct 2014 #139

Third way, DLC, new Democrats, conservative Democrats JEB Oct 2014 #79

Worse than appeasers in my opinion. They have every intention of doing what they do. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #111

You are exactly correct. JEB Oct 2014 #120

Meet the new boss Mnpaul Oct 2014 #138

yeah the correct term is dicey reddread Oct 2014 #144

Obama could well go down in history as the... polichick Oct 2014 #80

Three words: Supreme Court nominations. Paladin Oct 2014 #84

If Clinton is the nominee.... 99Forever Oct 2014 #92

absolutely reddread Oct 2014 #101

I wasn't force-fed...neither were 17 million other Democrats brooklynite Oct 2014 #94

Can I get an Amen?! marym625 Oct 2014 #97

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Yay, Bernie! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #106

K&R for honesty about the con game. woo me with science Oct 2014 #113

That's about it. Hillary Clinton and Obama are both products of the same tiny Marr Oct 2014 #124

Bernie's got my vote. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #146

Go Bernie!!! you have my V O T E ! TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #151