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A Simple Game

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25. Did anyone believe a party to a contract would not live up to that contract?

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:12 PM

Oct 2014

Maybe I am reading your post wrong but you seem to be blaming the union for taking an offer during contract negotiations, but what of the other side? If it was not feasible that the obligations you offered could not be met why were they offered? That is negotiation in bad faith if done knowingly. This problem had to be known for years and the can was just kicked down the road in hopes of a miracle.

I blame the party that offered what it knew it couldn't afford and then reneged.

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EARTH SHATTERING NEWS ALERT: Teachers' Union Busting in Philly [View all] PCIntern Oct 2014 OP

There will be a lot of whining and OMG they can't do that. But..... CK_John Oct 2014 #1

Then it's pass time that they got some support.... daleanime Oct 2014 #20

Uh....The entire Democratic machine and Democratic voters will back the union. You know nothing. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #28

Not H2O Man Oct 2014 #64

this is about forcing teachers to pay something towards their health care belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #2

And canceling benefits to retired teachers too. Demit Oct 2014 #4

The benefits aren't cancelled, but switched to a health plan run by the district. Rx msanthrope Oct 2014 #7

They're canceling previously-free benefits, prescription as well as dental and vision. Demit Oct 2014 #11

My local restaurant used to offer free refills on coffee, now they charge $0.25. Orrex Oct 2014 #13

they cancelled free refills quakerboy Oct 2014 #34

So, it canceled FREE refills. FREE refills are no longer a benefit there. Demit Oct 2014 #36

In reply #11 you claimed that "they're canceling previously-free benefits" Orrex Oct 2014 #46

They aren't canceled. They are only resting. kwassa Oct 2014 #55

You've run rings round me logically. Demit Oct 2014 #61

but you didn't pay for the refills that they decided not to offer dsc Oct 2014 #70

Are you speaking from knowledge, that this is happening in Philly school districts? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #31

I read the article at the link. Demit Oct 2014 #39

They aren't cancelling benefits. They are still available, but not for free. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #50

yea youre correct theyre screwing them both belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #9

Will not happen. The state handles pensions, not individual districts. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #29

Right, because they didn't already. Arkana Oct 2014 #41

what did i lie about? belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #52

Will it increase the current retiree's pensions to pay for the costs that they now have to pay? haele Oct 2014 #51

i agree, it's a theft and theyre gonna steal that pension money and give it belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #53

"No comment at this time." malthaussen Oct 2014 #3

Unions are the big trouble fadedrose Oct 2014 #5

As a former member of this union, I am not surprised. The union played with msanthrope Oct 2014 #6

Did anyone seriously believe that free health insurance would continue indefinitely? badtoworse Oct 2014 #8

"Why should the teachers get a pass?" while youre pointing out that they get too much belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #10

No, everyone is quite familiar with the misery-loves-company aspect of the American people. Demit Oct 2014 #12

Are you on the right forum? YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #14

Health insurance is just compensation, not magic pixie dust. jeff47 Oct 2014 #15

You've explained it quiet well. TxVietVet Oct 2014 #32

Right marions ghost Oct 2014 #48

Finally, somone gets it. Thanks jeff47. Scuba Oct 2014 #69

When was health care ever free Skippy? TBF Oct 2014 #16

I support raising the minimum wage badtoworse Oct 2014 #18

To? daleanime Oct 2014 #22

I'd like to see some studies of the expected impact at various levels. badtoworse Oct 2014 #24

Too low..... daleanime Oct 2014 #30

They're already shackled with it through the ACA badtoworse Oct 2014 #37

How many jobs 'offer' benefits at all? daleanime Oct 2014 #44

If the maximum were implemented, what should be the disposition of the money not paid to executives? badtoworse Oct 2014 #49

Studies are available.... daleanime Oct 2014 #67

Did anyone believe a party to a contract would not live up to that contract? A Simple Game Oct 2014 #25

I do not believe there is a contract currently in place, so there is no bad faith badtoworse Oct 2014 #40

I was referring to the former contract(s) when the benefits in question were negotiated. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #58

No argument about city negotiators not doing their jobs badtoworse Oct 2014 #62

The fact that the previous negotiators did a crappy job is very relevant. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #63

Because teachers matter. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #26

Because teachers historically have been paid less than other sectors (even factoring in the yells WinkyDink Oct 2014 #33

Did anyone seriously believe that our Minimum wage would continue indefinitely? quakerboy Oct 2014 #38

That's how wingnuts always attack every union. Orsino Oct 2014 #56

When does the taxpayers' ability to pay for the benefits become an issue? badtoworse Oct 2014 #57

After the wealthy are taxed. Orsino Oct 2014 #74

Sounds great. Put the taxes in place and the city is in a position to deal,... badtoworse Oct 2014 #75

Raise taxes right now. Orsino Oct 2014 #78

"Continue deficit spending to meet obligations." - That is how Detroit got to where it is today. badtoworse Oct 2014 #79

Detroit got where it is today because we allowed predators to descend on it. Orsino Oct 2014 #80

That's baloney. They were about $15 billion in debt with little tax revenue. badtoworse Oct 2014 #81

Predation ruined the economy, and more predators descended on the bones of Detroit. Orsino Oct 2014 #82

We're not going to agree on Detroit badtoworse Oct 2014 #83

We might not agree that the problem began and ended with the city managers. Orsino Oct 2014 #87

IT IS NOT A PASS! It is a fairly bargained document. AwakeAtLast Oct 2014 #68

The contract had expired and apparently, the union wouldn't budge on sharing health insurance costs. badtoworse Oct 2014 #71

If they have no contract they should take a strike vote immediately alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #17

The expressed reason is health care. Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #19

penn st broadcasts sports on/endorses 6 limbaugh stations, pitt 1, and those stations certainot Oct 2014 #21

Oh, brother. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #35

like voter suppression they push, a lot of the ALEC agenda to privatize public ed starts on stations certainot Oct 2014 #76

Why is it contracts issued by big corporations are sacrosanct, but union contracts can be discarded? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #23

Because both situations benefit the wealthy elite. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #42

Sorry, I was posing a rhetorical question. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #45

No need to apologize. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #47

This IS a BFD. As in REVOLUTIONARY. NO WAY will Philly get away with this. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #27

If more Americans paid attention to what was happening in the world I would... stillwaiting Oct 2014 #43

if the aca couldnt i doubt this will belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #54

Well, except for the SLIGHT difference in that the ACA HELPS PEOPLE. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #59

The mayor and 14 out of 17 City Council members are Democrats badtoworse Oct 2014 #65

Because you could add together the I.Q.'s of the entire City Council PCIntern Oct 2014 #66

because the state is currently running those schools dsc Oct 2014 #72

I believe that 4 of 5 members (including the chairman) of the School Reform Commission are Democrats badtoworse Oct 2014 #73

Sounds like you don't know PA very well. malthaussen Oct 2014 #77

I'm PA born and bred, TYVM, and live 50 miles north of Philly, TYVM. THE CITIES KEEP PA BLUE. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #85

Born in Pittsburgh, myself. Now live 5 miles north of Philly. malthaussen Oct 2014 #88

See you in court! KamaAina Oct 2014 #60

Some more info, this 'deal' is really disgusting n2doc Oct 2014 #84

Repulsive but expected. PCIntern Oct 2014 #86