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WinkyDink

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33. Because teachers historically have been paid less than other sectors (even factoring in the yells

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Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:20 PM

Oct 2014

about "BUT...SUMMER!!&quot .

Moreover, all contracts were---get this---COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED.

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EARTH SHATTERING NEWS ALERT: Teachers' Union Busting in Philly [View all] PCIntern Oct 2014 OP

There will be a lot of whining and OMG they can't do that. But..... CK_John Oct 2014 #1

Then it's pass time that they got some support.... daleanime Oct 2014 #20

Uh....The entire Democratic machine and Democratic voters will back the union. You know nothing. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #28

Not H2O Man Oct 2014 #64

this is about forcing teachers to pay something towards their health care belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #2

And canceling benefits to retired teachers too. Demit Oct 2014 #4

The benefits aren't cancelled, but switched to a health plan run by the district. Rx msanthrope Oct 2014 #7

They're canceling previously-free benefits, prescription as well as dental and vision. Demit Oct 2014 #11

My local restaurant used to offer free refills on coffee, now they charge $0.25. Orrex Oct 2014 #13

they cancelled free refills quakerboy Oct 2014 #34

So, it canceled FREE refills. FREE refills are no longer a benefit there. Demit Oct 2014 #36

In reply #11 you claimed that "they're canceling previously-free benefits" Orrex Oct 2014 #46

They aren't canceled. They are only resting. kwassa Oct 2014 #55

You've run rings round me logically. Demit Oct 2014 #61

but you didn't pay for the refills that they decided not to offer dsc Oct 2014 #70

Are you speaking from knowledge, that this is happening in Philly school districts? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #31

I read the article at the link. Demit Oct 2014 #39

They aren't cancelling benefits. They are still available, but not for free. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #50

yea youre correct theyre screwing them both belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #9

Will not happen. The state handles pensions, not individual districts. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #29

Right, because they didn't already. Arkana Oct 2014 #41

what did i lie about? belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #52

Will it increase the current retiree's pensions to pay for the costs that they now have to pay? haele Oct 2014 #51

i agree, it's a theft and theyre gonna steal that pension money and give it belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #53

"No comment at this time." malthaussen Oct 2014 #3

Unions are the big trouble fadedrose Oct 2014 #5

As a former member of this union, I am not surprised. The union played with msanthrope Oct 2014 #6

Did anyone seriously believe that free health insurance would continue indefinitely? badtoworse Oct 2014 #8

"Why should the teachers get a pass?" while youre pointing out that they get too much belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #10

No, everyone is quite familiar with the misery-loves-company aspect of the American people. Demit Oct 2014 #12

Are you on the right forum? YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #14

Health insurance is just compensation, not magic pixie dust. jeff47 Oct 2014 #15

You've explained it quiet well. TxVietVet Oct 2014 #32

Right marions ghost Oct 2014 #48

Finally, somone gets it. Thanks jeff47. Scuba Oct 2014 #69

When was health care ever free Skippy? TBF Oct 2014 #16

I support raising the minimum wage badtoworse Oct 2014 #18

To? daleanime Oct 2014 #22

I'd like to see some studies of the expected impact at various levels. badtoworse Oct 2014 #24

Too low..... daleanime Oct 2014 #30

They're already shackled with it through the ACA badtoworse Oct 2014 #37

How many jobs 'offer' benefits at all? daleanime Oct 2014 #44

If the maximum were implemented, what should be the disposition of the money not paid to executives? badtoworse Oct 2014 #49

Studies are available.... daleanime Oct 2014 #67

Did anyone believe a party to a contract would not live up to that contract? A Simple Game Oct 2014 #25

I do not believe there is a contract currently in place, so there is no bad faith badtoworse Oct 2014 #40

I was referring to the former contract(s) when the benefits in question were negotiated. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #58

No argument about city negotiators not doing their jobs badtoworse Oct 2014 #62

The fact that the previous negotiators did a crappy job is very relevant. A Simple Game Oct 2014 #63

Because teachers matter. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #26

Because teachers historically have been paid less than other sectors (even factoring in the yells WinkyDink Oct 2014 #33

Did anyone seriously believe that our Minimum wage would continue indefinitely? quakerboy Oct 2014 #38

That's how wingnuts always attack every union. Orsino Oct 2014 #56

When does the taxpayers' ability to pay for the benefits become an issue? badtoworse Oct 2014 #57

After the wealthy are taxed. Orsino Oct 2014 #74

Sounds great. Put the taxes in place and the city is in a position to deal,... badtoworse Oct 2014 #75

Raise taxes right now. Orsino Oct 2014 #78

"Continue deficit spending to meet obligations." - That is how Detroit got to where it is today. badtoworse Oct 2014 #79

Detroit got where it is today because we allowed predators to descend on it. Orsino Oct 2014 #80

That's baloney. They were about $15 billion in debt with little tax revenue. badtoworse Oct 2014 #81

Predation ruined the economy, and more predators descended on the bones of Detroit. Orsino Oct 2014 #82

We're not going to agree on Detroit badtoworse Oct 2014 #83

We might not agree that the problem began and ended with the city managers. Orsino Oct 2014 #87

IT IS NOT A PASS! It is a fairly bargained document. AwakeAtLast Oct 2014 #68

The contract had expired and apparently, the union wouldn't budge on sharing health insurance costs. badtoworse Oct 2014 #71

If they have no contract they should take a strike vote immediately alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #17

The expressed reason is health care. Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #19

penn st broadcasts sports on/endorses 6 limbaugh stations, pitt 1, and those stations certainot Oct 2014 #21

Oh, brother. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #35

like voter suppression they push, a lot of the ALEC agenda to privatize public ed starts on stations certainot Oct 2014 #76

Why is it contracts issued by big corporations are sacrosanct, but union contracts can be discarded? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #23

Because both situations benefit the wealthy elite. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #42

Sorry, I was posing a rhetorical question. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #45

No need to apologize. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #47

This IS a BFD. As in REVOLUTIONARY. NO WAY will Philly get away with this. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #27

If more Americans paid attention to what was happening in the world I would... stillwaiting Oct 2014 #43

if the aca couldnt i doubt this will belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #54

Well, except for the SLIGHT difference in that the ACA HELPS PEOPLE. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #59

The mayor and 14 out of 17 City Council members are Democrats badtoworse Oct 2014 #65

Because you could add together the I.Q.'s of the entire City Council PCIntern Oct 2014 #66

because the state is currently running those schools dsc Oct 2014 #72

I believe that 4 of 5 members (including the chairman) of the School Reform Commission are Democrats badtoworse Oct 2014 #73

Sounds like you don't know PA very well. malthaussen Oct 2014 #77

I'm PA born and bred, TYVM, and live 50 miles north of Philly, TYVM. THE CITIES KEEP PA BLUE. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #85

Born in Pittsburgh, myself. Now live 5 miles north of Philly. malthaussen Oct 2014 #88

See you in court! KamaAina Oct 2014 #60

Some more info, this 'deal' is really disgusting n2doc Oct 2014 #84

Repulsive but expected. PCIntern Oct 2014 #86