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Deny and Shred

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30. You got me to reread parts of the Constitution. Thanks

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:46 PM

Oct 2014

Article One, Section Eight : "Congress shall have the power ... To Declare War ... To raise and support Armies but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years." The 'declare war' part has been hijacked by the Commander in Chief since WW2, and the 'two years' part has been completely forgotten sans amendment. Congress has been more than happy to be relieved of the re-elctorial stigma.

How's this for a thought exercise : Any politician who votes to go to war will have their children and grandchildren serve in forward areas, no exceptions. They are the very first boots on the ground.

A precondition would be that AUMF-type resolutions, presidential decrees and police actions are made vertboten again, like the document says. Congress doesn't get to punt on the 'going to war' issue . If the idea is to put skin in the game, it would mean that Congress only votes for military action when they TRULY believe in it.

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The draft. [View all] Javaman Oct 2014 OP

Skin in the game would quickly change public opinion war, no question. Scuba Oct 2014 #1

That's pretty much what turned people against Vietnam. KamaAina Oct 2014 #31

That's the way I remember it, and believe that's why Nixon ended the draft. Scuba Oct 2014 #36

It's interesting as a thought experiment el_bryanto Oct 2014 #2

You would kill a lot of reluctant, poorly trained soldiers hack89 Oct 2014 #3

I know many people who think that volunteers... peace13 Oct 2014 #12

Any one who voluntarily enlists in a time of war knows what the risks are. hack89 Oct 2014 #13

My point is that the volunteer is no more expendable than the draftee. peace13 Oct 2014 #14

still have my 4f draft card--just in case... but over 60 now dembotoz Oct 2014 #4

I'm 51. I would be eligible in this fictitious scenario. Javaman Oct 2014 #8

How many miles can you run with a 75 pound backpack? FSogol Oct 2014 #38

did you actually read my post? Javaman Oct 2014 #39

I didn't accuse you of being pro-draft, but the notion of drafting 45-60 year-olds is ludidrous. FSogol Oct 2014 #40

Yeah, I think many here miss the days of DU2. nt With whom Oct 2014 #41

Been there, done that, don't recommend it pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #5

Well said. H2O Man Oct 2014 #6

And again, this is just a thought experiement, not an advocaiton for the draft. Javaman Oct 2014 #10

Yes, I understood that. H2O Man Oct 2014 #28

How about other conscripted service? malthaussen Oct 2014 #21

The WPA & CCC camps H2O Man Oct 2014 #29

Ah, making it part of the curriculum hadn't occurred to me. malthaussen Oct 2014 #37

I think what you are missing or I didn't explain well... Javaman Oct 2014 #9

If I called my reply a "thought experiment" would that make it okay? pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #19

It's my conviction now that public opinion did little to end the war. malthaussen Oct 2014 #20

Then why did Nixon announced that no more draftees would be sent to Vietnam in 1972? Brother Buzz Oct 2014 #22

Nixon said what the public wanted to hear. malthaussen Oct 2014 #24

Of course public opinion ended the war. Do you upaloopa Oct 2014 #27

Nuts Savannahmann Oct 2014 #7

oh for crying out loud. Javaman Oct 2014 #11

Pfui. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #15

holy crap. Javaman Oct 2014 #25

Didn't work before, but perhaps mandatory military service would... Historic NY Oct 2014 #16

Canada would get a population boost. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #17

It would just show how little they care about public opinion. malthaussen Oct 2014 #18

I do not want to put my life in the hands of someone there unwillingly. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #23

No one ever brings up the real issue that the upaloopa Oct 2014 #26

You got me to reread parts of the Constitution. Thanks Deny and Shred Oct 2014 #30

I'd leave the country - TBF Oct 2014 #32

Nope. Xolodno Oct 2014 #33

damn Javaman--its like you proposed eating kittens dembotoz Oct 2014 #34

I really think gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #35

Military currently turns away 80% of volunteers today madville Oct 2014 #42