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Octafish

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4. Panetta's with the Program: War is good for the economy.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:20 AM
Oct 2014
The Pitfalls of Peace

The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth

Tyler Coswen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014

The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.

An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.

Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right — whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation’s longer-run prospects.

It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.

War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.

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Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you don’t get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but it’s something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.

Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0

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In other news, Panetta likes money and realizes that loyalty just doesn't pay. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #1
You said it flamingdem Oct 2014 #8
^^THIS^^ 2naSalit Oct 2014 #9
Eeyup. It's as simple as that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #31
I was about to post my own OP on this. Literally yelling at the radio bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #2
Fact Bobcat Oct 2014 #6
CNN just had a foaming repuke going on about that talking point flamingdem Oct 2014 #10
heck, Obama tried to undo the SOFA any way he could MisterP Oct 2014 #30
Along those lines: Panetta's a fucking liar-- TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #18
Very important post. H2O Man Oct 2014 #27
Thanks! I thought I remembered him saying that...but KoKo Oct 2014 #35
Not surprised JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #3
Panetta invited movie producers to a classified briefing and revealed the names of the TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #16
Panetta's with the Program: War is good for the economy. Octafish Oct 2014 #4
Oh good! OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #33
Do you think I agree with him? Octafish Oct 2014 #41
Um... yes. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #43
Then you don't know me. Octafish Oct 2014 #45
Of course I don't know you. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #46
Let me be clear, then. This President is why America today is run by warmongers and traitors! Octafish Oct 2014 #50
I wasn't questioning your bona fides. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #51
That's why I bothered to answer. Octafish Oct 2014 #55
Wasn't he one of the Cabinet officers that advised against the bin Laden raid? bigbrother05 Oct 2014 #5
hmm--Panetta would make a fantastic running mate for Hillary. librechik Oct 2014 #7
He's as old as McCain. They could be the geriatric ticket. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #14
I think you are onto something there.... KoKo Oct 2014 #21
This kind of thing sucks for the Midterms flamingdem Oct 2014 #11
Panetta's a Democrat? hootinholler Oct 2014 #12
Panetta Robbins Oct 2014 #13
Was there any doubt that this man is just a Hillary toady? TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #15
Panetta has always been a fool. Most of Obama's subordinates have been diasters. (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #17
Well, he never was Obama's guy in the first place. Tatiana Oct 2014 #19
But... KoKo Oct 2014 #24
What constitutes a "rival"? Political parties? Just people who hate each other? TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #28
Different political philosophies, mostly. Tatiana Oct 2014 #34
Obama's not running for anything, so criticizing him will not be damaging in any future elections. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #20
Some would disagree with you n2doc Oct 2014 #29
Are you suggesting that it is less disgusting for a cabinet official to criticize Obama than Hillary karynnj Oct 2014 #47
he's currently on m$nbc with andrea mitchell...they're having a grand time spanone Oct 2014 #22
This may sound like H2O Man Oct 2014 #23
Who got Osama Bin Laden again? Maybe someone needs to remind Leon. Rex Oct 2014 #25
They lean whichever way the money blows. nt valerief Oct 2014 #26
We don't want government based on loyalty to an individual DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #32
He's not in government. His time to express his concerns about TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #36
Well said. H2O Man Oct 2014 #37
Thanks. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #38
Of course he should have spoken out then, but that's irrelevant DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #42
Exactly and the same goes for Hillary Clinton -- even more karynnj Oct 2014 #48
Yes--once you decide to go along with something, and agree to promote and defend it TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #49
By Jove, I think he's got it! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #54
First we had Hillary throwing both President Obama & Secretary Kerry under the bus...and now this. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2014 #39
"The interview was timed with this week’s launch of Panetta’s book" KamaAina Oct 2014 #40
very disappointing lack of class -- on both their parts. MBS Oct 2014 #44
"The interview was timed with this week’s launch of Panetta’s book . . ." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #52
He has a book to sell, controversy sells... Spazito Oct 2014 #53
So much for Chomsky, Hedges, Assange, Scahill, Greenwald and the rest of that lying lot. ucrdem Oct 2014 #56
ugh whadda douche AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #57
I posted a duplicate of this thread Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #58
Looks like this meme has officially crashed and burned. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #59
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