Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: What can replace police? [View all]Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)18. Progressive society needs strong police to exist
It is simple.
Progressive policies depend upon strong government that is big enough and strong enough to implement the desired policies.
Such a government requires the authority and power to tax and to enforce the laws and regulations it puts into place to serve the people.
You can't have any of that without police power and authority. Government without power and authority is nothing more than an ineffective wish list. You must collect taxes. People pay taxes not out of a sense of civic responsibility (most don't anyway), but because if they don't eventually a person from the government with the authority and ability to use force will show up and take away their property to sell and fund their debt and/or put them in jail.
You must enforce the laws. Laws against discrimination are useless unless there is penalty for breaking them, penalties will be ignored unless once again someone with the authority and ability to use force is the eventual outcome of ignoring them.
Laws protecting abortion are once again useless unless those against abortion know that eventually someone with a gun will show up to stop them from violating them.
All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. If you desire a policy that will be a part of or enforced by government, you have to have strong police backing it up. The citizenry has to respect the institution of government enough to comply or else be in fear enough to comply, or a mix of both. With all the rethugs out there they never will respect it, that leaves just one alternative.
I know this will make all the cop-hating progressive on here both mad an uncomfortable that I point it out. Ohh well. It is the truth- if you desire progressive reform and government policies you must have strong enough police powers to make them work.
Weak police= people ignore laws= weak ineffective government. That is why libertarians also jump on the cop bashing/get rid of the police bandwagon, they understand the end game they seek will be aided by weakening the police.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
40 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
I dont think youre going to get rid of police. What we need is oversight and good department culture
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2014
#1
A rose by any other name? Replacing the police is not the answer. Better police is the answer.
merrily
Oct 2014
#2
aside from the lack of accountability and training, too many stupid laws to enforce.
KG
Oct 2014
#10
Good question. Start by putting most of the current cops in prison for the rest of thier lives.
MindPilot
Oct 2014
#11
End their militarization. Which means taking on corporate politicians.
woo me with science
Oct 2014
#13
While off topic, check out the Literature leading up to the Revoultion
One_Life_To_Give
Oct 2014
#29