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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
18. Progressive society needs strong police to exist
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

It is simple.

Progressive policies depend upon strong government that is big enough and strong enough to implement the desired policies.

Such a government requires the authority and power to tax and to enforce the laws and regulations it puts into place to serve the people.

You can't have any of that without police power and authority. Government without power and authority is nothing more than an ineffective wish list. You must collect taxes. People pay taxes not out of a sense of civic responsibility (most don't anyway), but because if they don't eventually a person from the government with the authority and ability to use force will show up and take away their property to sell and fund their debt and/or put them in jail.

You must enforce the laws. Laws against discrimination are useless unless there is penalty for breaking them, penalties will be ignored unless once again someone with the authority and ability to use force is the eventual outcome of ignoring them.

Laws protecting abortion are once again useless unless those against abortion know that eventually someone with a gun will show up to stop them from violating them.

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. If you desire a policy that will be a part of or enforced by government, you have to have strong police backing it up. The citizenry has to respect the institution of government enough to comply or else be in fear enough to comply, or a mix of both. With all the rethugs out there they never will respect it, that leaves just one alternative.

I know this will make all the cop-hating progressive on here both mad an uncomfortable that I point it out. Ohh well. It is the truth- if you desire progressive reform and government policies you must have strong enough police powers to make them work.

Weak police= people ignore laws= weak ineffective government. That is why libertarians also jump on the cop bashing/get rid of the police bandwagon, they understand the end game they seek will be aided by weakening the police.

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What can replace police? [View all] DonCoquixote Oct 2014 OP
I dont think youre going to get rid of police. What we need is oversight and good department culture Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #17
A rose by any other name? Replacing the police is not the answer. Better police is the answer. merrily Oct 2014 #2
Good suggestions, Feral Child Oct 2014 #4
RWers are usually okay with police brutality, too. merrily Oct 2014 #6
Abso Feral Child Oct 2014 #7
A nice potted plant? Jamastiene Oct 2014 #3
You mean "okra", of course. Feral Child Oct 2014 #5
Lol! Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39
Better screening to weed out the bullies and the shoot-first cowards, also . . . brush Oct 2014 #8
Screening and psych testing is the answer NightWatcher Oct 2014 #22
Good analysis brush Oct 2014 #27
I used to work in background investigations for federal law enforcement NightWatcher Oct 2014 #28
How about we just hold police accountable for their actions? MohRokTah Oct 2014 #9
aside from the lack of accountability and training, too many stupid laws to enforce. KG Oct 2014 #10
Good question. Start by putting most of the current cops in prison for the rest of thier lives. MindPilot Oct 2014 #11
Oh please. Calista241 Oct 2014 #19
None of those 800,000 are to be trusted. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #32
I met a dude once from California, and he was an asshole. Calista241 Oct 2014 #36
Nope, not buying your argument. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #38
The police aren't some invading army that showed up at the city gates one day, FSogol Oct 2014 #12
End their militarization. Which means taking on corporate politicians. woo me with science Oct 2014 #13
Voting. That can do it. MineralMan Oct 2014 #14
Municipal elections have the biggest impact on the daily lives of people... MohRokTah Oct 2014 #33
Yes, they do, followed by county and state legislative districts. MineralMan Oct 2014 #34
Make it mandatory that the demographics of the police force madville Oct 2014 #15
I agree and most agencies attempt to do this yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #30
End the drug war. logosoco Oct 2014 #16
Progressive society needs strong police to exist Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #18
Amen. Calista241 Oct 2014 #20
So the logical extension... HoustonDave Oct 2014 #24
No one is saying we don't need police brush Oct 2014 #31
Mandatory shock collars damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #21
Militia or 50,000Volt Concertina Wire One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #23
Militia HoustonDave Oct 2014 #25
While off topic, check out the Literature leading up to the Revoultion One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #29
How about we keep the police we just no longer militarize them. dilby Oct 2014 #26
These? longship Oct 2014 #35
More accurate question- what can replace police personnel taking steroids? KittyWampus Oct 2014 #37
Training and accountability etherealtruth Oct 2014 #40
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