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Tatiana

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19. Well, he never was Obama's guy in the first place.

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:04 PM

Oct 2014

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I wouldn't expect him to be loyal. However, Panetta, along with Clinton (and to some extent Hagel) demonstrate that the whole "Team of Rivals" concept to high-level/cabinet posts may not be the greatest idea.

The only point he makes, I think, is that Obama has, at times, lectured more than he has been a leader. I do believe in such a thing as moral clarity. Would you try to negotiate with terrorists? That's what the Republicans were like -- domestic terrorists who held this country hostage because they refused to let this President get anything resembling a win. He realized too late that these people were not capable of negotiating in good faith at all. This is why some people believed he was weak.

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Leon Panetta, other former Obama subordinates show stunning disloyalty [View all] n2doc Oct 2014 OP

In other news, Panetta likes money and realizes that loyalty just doesn't pay. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #1

You said it flamingdem Oct 2014 #8

^^THIS^^ 2naSalit Oct 2014 #9

Eeyup. It's as simple as that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #31

I was about to post my own OP on this. Literally yelling at the radio bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #2

Fact Bobcat Oct 2014 #6

CNN just had a foaming repuke going on about that talking point flamingdem Oct 2014 #10

heck, Obama tried to undo the SOFA any way he could MisterP Oct 2014 #30

Along those lines: Panetta's a fucking liar-- TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #18

Very important post. H2O Man Oct 2014 #27

Thanks! I thought I remembered him saying that...but KoKo Oct 2014 #35

Not surprised JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #3

Panetta invited movie producers to a classified briefing and revealed the names of the TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #16

Panetta's with the Program: War is good for the economy. Octafish Oct 2014 #4

Oh good! OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #33

Do you think I agree with him? Octafish Oct 2014 #41

Um... yes. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #43

Then you don't know me. Octafish Oct 2014 #45

Of course I don't know you. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #46

Let me be clear, then. This President is why America today is run by warmongers and traitors! Octafish Oct 2014 #50

I wasn't questioning your bona fides. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #51

That's why I bothered to answer. Octafish Oct 2014 #55

Wasn't he one of the Cabinet officers that advised against the bin Laden raid? bigbrother05 Oct 2014 #5

hmm--Panetta would make a fantastic running mate for Hillary. librechik Oct 2014 #7

He's as old as McCain. They could be the geriatric ticket. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #14

I think you are onto something there.... KoKo Oct 2014 #21

This kind of thing sucks for the Midterms flamingdem Oct 2014 #11

Panetta's a Democrat? hootinholler Oct 2014 #12

Panetta Robbins Oct 2014 #13

Was there any doubt that this man is just a Hillary toady? TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #15

Panetta has always been a fool. Most of Obama's subordinates have been diasters. (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #17

Well, he never was Obama's guy in the first place. Tatiana Oct 2014 #19

But... KoKo Oct 2014 #24

What constitutes a "rival"? Political parties? Just people who hate each other? TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #28

Different political philosophies, mostly. Tatiana Oct 2014 #34

Obama's not running for anything, so criticizing him will not be damaging in any future elections. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #20

Some would disagree with you n2doc Oct 2014 #29

Are you suggesting that it is less disgusting for a cabinet official to criticize Obama than Hillary karynnj Oct 2014 #47

he's currently on m$nbc with andrea mitchell...they're having a grand time spanone Oct 2014 #22

This may sound like H2O Man Oct 2014 #23

Who got Osama Bin Laden again? Maybe someone needs to remind Leon. Rex Oct 2014 #25

They lean whichever way the money blows. nt valerief Oct 2014 #26

We don't want government based on loyalty to an individual DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #32

He's not in government. His time to express his concerns about TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #36

Well said. H2O Man Oct 2014 #37

Thanks. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #38

Of course he should have spoken out then, but that's irrelevant DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #42

Exactly and the same goes for Hillary Clinton -- even more karynnj Oct 2014 #48

Yes--once you decide to go along with something, and agree to promote and defend it TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #49

By Jove, I think he's got it! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #54

First we had Hillary throwing both President Obama & Secretary Kerry under the bus...and now this. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2014 #39

"The interview was timed with this week�s launch of Panetta�s book" KamaAina Oct 2014 #40

very disappointing lack of class -- on both their parts. MBS Oct 2014 #44

"The interview was timed with this week�s launch of Panetta�s book . . ." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #52

He has a book to sell, controversy sells... Spazito Oct 2014 #53

So much for Chomsky, Hedges, Assange, Scahill, Greenwald and the rest of that lying lot. ucrdem Oct 2014 #56

ugh whadda douche AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #57

I posted a duplicate of this thread Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #58

Looks like this meme has officially crashed and burned. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #59