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130. Really? To say you are wrong is not really necessary for anyone who knows the facts. So I won't

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:53 PM

Oct 2014

bother. You haven't kept up with them either, have you? They are very much here to stay. The encampments were only the first step in this Social Justice Movement. AND they were intended to last only about one week in ONE CITY. Then they intended to move to the next phase, but the country responded so immediately to their message that it rapidly spread from coast to coast, a surprise to the original Occupiers.

The crackdown was instant and brutal AND federally coordinated, obvious even without the release of the FOIA obtained documents. In spite of that, the encampments lasted way longer than they organizers originally intended, or maybe BECAUSE of it.

Iow, OWS' initial goals were fairly limited, what happened was a spectacular success, above anything they imagined or intended.

They changed the conversation, brought national attention to the corrupt influence of Wall St on every day life and on elections, in this country.

They are still working around the country and the world, to continue what they started. It will take years, it took years to build the corrupt system. But OWS took the first step and I can't imagine why anyone who railed against the Bush admins would not be fully supportive of what this movement, still in its infancy but off to a great start, is all about.

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The insane conspiracy theories of Naomi Wolf [View all] cali Oct 2014 OP

I agree with the author's assessment: Cooley Hurd Oct 2014 #1

puts her looney-tunes claim that the Obama administration coordinated the OWS crackdown in its geek tragedy Oct 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Scuba Oct 2014 #11

But other than evidence, you got *nothing* MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #15

Snort. Scuba Oct 2014 #45

There is no evidence. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #77

These are not the droids you are looking for. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #79

No one cites to actual evidence when peddling that geek tragedy Oct 2014 #82

But she was being weird and self-promoting in other ways around OWS starroute Oct 2014 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Scuba Oct 2014 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Oct 2014 #76

My brief googling did not turn up multiple, reliable sources for this claim. I'll delete my posts. Scuba Oct 2014 #92

Cheers. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #93

See my post below, you were correct, the attacks on OWS were coordinated at a Federal sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #114

Wrong, FOIA documents proved the Federal Coordination against OWS from the beginning. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #113

Thanks. Sorry I didn't find this earlier. Scuba Oct 2014 #115

Agreed -- but it's Wolf's inserting herself into the issue that's the problem starroute Oct 2014 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Oct 2014 #66

WHAT!?!?!?!?! How can that....that's a regular greek tragedy I tell you! lol EX500rider Oct 2014 #99

It has been established that federal resources were used and that the banks were involved GoneFishin Oct 2014 #23

It has been claimed by conspiracy peddlers, not geek tragedy Oct 2014 #67

Wrong, again. FOIA documents have proven the Federal Coordination to crackdown on OWS. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #116

Silly CT nonsense Egnever Oct 2014 #127

Maybe you should have read more of them. There is no question that the attacks on OWS were Federally sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #129

Federal assets and the financial sector both crushed OWS. This has already ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #47

No, it got cold and people had to go to school... snooper2 Oct 2014 #48

OK, so mass hysteria is responsible for these images...gotcha... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #52

If there were plenty where did they go? Police did crack down hard in some cities, snooper2 Oct 2014 #54

Lame. ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #56

Occupy should have had top three things to force the conversation snooper2 Oct 2014 #57

Just mocking without knowing what you are talking about, hunh? Hissyspit Oct 2014 #60

1.) That's not true. 2.) It's not what people are talking about. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #61

True and I think the biggest problem is that there were intentionally no leaders and no end date karynnj Oct 2014 #89

Yeah. They could not weather the blizzard of cops in riot gear. nt GoneFishin Oct 2014 #100

^^^^ This ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #106

Really? To say you are wrong is not really necessary for anyone who knows the facts. So I won't sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #130

It has been claimed as fact by people on the Internet. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #68

Damn, what's with so many people losing it like this? OneGrassRoot Oct 2014 #3

you can trace it back to the Clinton administration where conspiracy theories got play in much geek tragedy Oct 2014 #4

Just an FYI, This is Wolf, Not Klein. Two different Naomi's. nt adirondacker Oct 2014 #6

Thanks, I fixed that. I do that a lot with those two, unfortunately. :( n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2014 #7

thanks for the clarification. i was picturing klein. eom ellenfl Oct 2014 #101

I think you answered your own question: ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #50

The internet, wonderful as we know it is, may be one factor in this karynnj Oct 2014 #98

I think you're correct, karynnj... OneGrassRoot Oct 2014 #103

The following nastiness was a "conspiracy," too, until recently declassified documents came to light blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #5

Look, just because one can find instances where there were actual conspiracies cali Oct 2014 #8

Maybe Naomi Wolf is part of the conspiracy CJCRANE Oct 2014 #9

Homo Sapien Sapien coexisted with Homo Sapien Idaltu who coexisted w/ Neanderthal for a time. loudsue Oct 2014 #10

I read about this yesterday,I had no idea she sufrommich Oct 2014 #12

As The King says, nuttier than a squirrel's turd AngryAmish Oct 2014 #13

These guys wouldn't lie to us: MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #14

Your post and others in that vein, flat out disgust me. Do you have a clue how callous you are? cali Oct 2014 #19

*I'm* conflating Obama and Bushco? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #22

yes. you are doing just that. take your red herrings cali Oct 2014 #25

For how long have you known them and their parents? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #26

One has to personally know people to object to conspiracy loons treating their tragic loss geek tragedy Oct 2014 #33

Personally? I think they were murdered. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #37

Michael Weiner Savage agress with you snooper2 Oct 2014 #49

So you would refuse to criticize those who claim Clapper geek tragedy Oct 2014 #70

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #119

This post is not Greenwald Manny, it's Infowars/rense.com Manny. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #29

So Clapper doesn't have a history of lying MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #34

no, it's a red herring used to obfuscate the current subject geek tragedy Oct 2014 #36

So Clapper and company lied *last* time, MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #38

This story has nothing to do with Clapper. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #69

Where do you think Clapper - and by extension our government - MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #78

No, Manny, Wolf really is in the same category as Sandy Hook truthers muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #80

They are not relevant to this story. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #81

There is no way that lie could be promulgated. It would involve cali Oct 2014 #83

What do you mean it isn't about Clapper!!!!!! NCTraveler Oct 2014 #88

That's a horribly American-centric point of view muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #41

I haven't heard about Naomi's thoughts on the beheadings smiley Oct 2014 #16

Are the grieving parents and spouses part of the act? sufrommich Oct 2014 #18

and there's only a fucking shitload of evidence that these were real people cali Oct 2014 #20

I can't shake the feeling that these events CJCRANE Oct 2014 #28

You were right to keep this to yourself. Suggesting that the victims are part of a fraud geek tragedy Oct 2014 #31

What is your opinion of "the Jersey Girls"? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #35

That was different. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #39

They were not peddling clinically insane bullshit geek tragedy Oct 2014 #75

Proud of them, and view them as entirely differently geek tragedy Oct 2014 #71

Once you distinguish "the Jersey Girls" from 9/11 Truthers hack89 Oct 2014 #85

They still have about 300 questions CJCRANE Oct 2014 #96

I know hack89 Oct 2014 #97

She's also a regular guest on the Alex Jones show. sufrommich Oct 2014 #17

what makes me want to vomit is the callous dog shit cali Oct 2014 #21

I have zero tolerence for people who believe sufrommich Oct 2014 #24

Have you read the full 9/11 report? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #27

Naomi Wolf is loony tunes CJCRANE Oct 2014 #30

What are the real and relevant questions you are referring to? DanTex Oct 2014 #51

Is a British Jihadi killing journalists CJCRANE Oct 2014 #55

I see the beheadings as having the same effect as the attacks of 9/11. The ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #58

yes, it's just like pearl harbor. zappaman Oct 2014 #84

You fail, as usual. And I'm still here despite the best efforts you are capable of... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #87

perhaps you would be so kind as to explain how this is "a new pearl harbor" zappaman Oct 2014 #109

I'm still here! Hahahahahahahaa! you can't get rid of meeeeeee....!!!111!11 ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #110

nothing, eh? zappaman Oct 2014 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #86

I agree that those are real and relevant questions. DanTex Oct 2014 #59

The redacted pages CJCRANE Oct 2014 #62

of course. that's totally reasonable, but it's not the topic and it's nothing close to cali Oct 2014 #65

Who says the victims have to be fake for right wing chicken hawks to be behind GoneFishin Oct 2014 #32

this really isn't rocket science: Being targeted by The U.S. is great for recruitment cali Oct 2014 #46

I agree with you.... KoKo Oct 2014 #63

Wolf not N Klein ! lunasun Oct 2014 #107

Absolutely...I have corrected.. Just read environmental article by Klein... KoKo Oct 2014 #117

Hmmm...She seems mostly to be asking that journalists do their job and verify. (I have no doubts.) WinkyDink Oct 2014 #40

not even close. and she's one of the shoddiest writers around and always has been cali Oct 2014 #64

I liked "The Beauty Myth." And her "The Shock Doctrine" I should probably read. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #90

I thought the Beauty Myth was lacking- not particularly insightful. She didn't write the Shock cali Oct 2014 #94

Oops! WinkyDink Oct 2014 #102

Wolf not N Klein ! lunasun Oct 2014 #108

no, actually, you are a very shoddy reader reorg Oct 2014 #124

Naomi Wolf at Ron Paul Rally... SidDithers Oct 2014 #42

Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2014 #53

JFC at some of the responses. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #72

No different than the Sandy Hook Truthers. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #74

I "unfollowed" her on facebook a few years back, she annoyed me. m-lekktor Oct 2014 #73

I followed links to Vox a couple of times... MattSh Oct 2014 #95

Naomi has entered "death panel" territory. I'm pondering what her DU handle might be. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #104

Another journalist who simply asks for rational thinking is thrown under the bus Corruption Inc Oct 2014 #105

She threw herself under, screaming "only I know the Real Truth!" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #118

a) that is not what she is doing. not at all. b) there's nothing rational about her. cali Oct 2014 #121

I ask myself if there is anything rational about your reorg Oct 2014 #125

I find these conspiracy theories distasteful and i don't buy them. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #111

Someone was going to hop on the bandwagon sooner or later Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Teamster Jeff Oct 2014 #122

Oh, I read "Naomi Wolf"... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #123

Cuz the CIA/MIC/USA has never and would never Zorra Oct 2014 #126

not quite as accomplished as Naomi Wolf, the author of that little hit piece reorg Oct 2014 #128

I'm such a sucker for Naomi Wolf aikoaiko Oct 2014 #131