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44. +1. I was about to mention Albion's Seed.

Reply to Thirties Child (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 02:36 PM

Oct 2014

Interesting book, and IIRC, the author would have said "borderers" rather than Scots-Irish.

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One of America's biggest root problems: Scots-Irish culture [View all] AZ Progressive Oct 2014 OP

Very deep shenmue Oct 2014 #1

I think it's a shitload more complicated than that. cali Oct 2014 #2

Agree with you Cali. Ethnic Blame Game... KoKo Oct 2014 #13

Truly! catrose Oct 2014 #40

Then again, sometimes there is a smidgeon of truth in generalizations. Having traveled extensively adirondacker Oct 2014 #42

The Dutch in New York were known to be racists against the American Indians so muntrv Oct 2014 #58

Excuse me? I'm one-eighth Scots Irish. KamaAina Oct 2014 #3

I'm about half Scots-Irish... nt IphengeniaBlumgarten Oct 2014 #14

Welcome to DU! KamaAina Oct 2014 #20

I'm a quarter although half Latina and take my identity from that. eom Cleita Oct 2014 #39

I'm about an eighth or more and I'm black. bravenak Oct 2014 #51

Excellent! hunter Oct 2014 #82

What a load of racist bullocks. Irish Americans are almost predominately Democrats. FSogol Oct 2014 #4

Thanks, I just read that and scratched my head. The Brits are painted as the 'liberals' here, lol? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #15

The dirt poor Irish came to America to own Southern Slavery Plantations before receiving the FSogol Oct 2014 #29

You mean 'some' of the Irish. There are criminal elements in every culture, they do not represent sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #33

My response was a pure anachronistic joke*. Slavery plantations preceded the FSogol Oct 2014 #37

Scots Irish are the Protestants of Northern Ireland. KamaAina Oct 2014 #21

Thank you, which generally means they were not native Irish people, they were 'planted' on land sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #36

You're confusing the Irish Irish and the Scots-Irish. Thirties Child Oct 2014 #22

Not always. KamaAina Oct 2014 #48

Not true. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #76

The Scots-Irish Americans are not typical Irish Americans. pnwmom Oct 2014 #23

+100 Duppers Oct 2014 #86

Scots-Irish are different from plain old Irish Warpy Oct 2014 #31

As several here have H2O Man Oct 2014 #38

Anecdotally, my family is Scots-Irish. My grandparents came here in the 1890s. FSogol Oct 2014 #45

Right. H2O Man Oct 2014 #56

"Scots-Irish" != "Irish-American". Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #43

One of the primary reasons H2O Man Oct 2014 #59

That's the way it was in my family... SiobhanClancy Oct 2014 #85

I agree with that, but I live in Boston and I also see where a lot of Irish Americans are smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #84

As pointed out, this is about Scots-Irish. However, what you said was only once true... Drunken Irishman Oct 2014 #89

Quite an old chestnut, as it happens. malthaussen Oct 2014 #5

Have you read "Born to Fight" by Jim Webb? It's a fantastic window into the history and culture ... Hekate Oct 2014 #6

This thread should go well.....nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #7

This is extraordinarily racist. DemocraticWing Oct 2014 #8

I was thinking they used to justify slave ownership for similar ethnic reasons too. bettyellen Oct 2014 #10

The Scots Irish flooded the South but... Thirties Child Oct 2014 #28

+1. I was about to mention Albion's Seed. winter is coming Oct 2014 #44

Thank you for an injection of historical accuracy theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #64

Oh please. Nationally, the divide is much more about rural vs urban. Educated vs less so. bettyellen Oct 2014 #9

New England, and other parts of NE, the Irish HockeyMom Oct 2014 #11

There wasn't that much intermarriage between the two groups ... Thirties Child Oct 2014 #30

Read damn near anything the late, great Joe Bageant ever wrote. hifiguy Oct 2014 #12

Deer Hunting With Jesus... haikugal Oct 2014 #34

Another + for Joe Bageant's work Tom Ripley Oct 2014 #72

+1000s. His essay "Drink, Pray, Fight, Fuck" says it all. DinahMoeHum Oct 2014 #81

Oy Jaysus WilliamPitt Oct 2014 #16

At least it was a well written pile of shit. Throd Oct 2014 #18

But a pile of shit nonetheless. cordelia Oct 2014 #91

I dunno if this is quite 100% accurate, TBH. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #17

Scottish Motto: Nemo me impune lacessit ~ No one cuts/attacks me with impunity aikoaiko Oct 2014 #19

"People with these cultural roots are the reason why the Republican party continues to exist" KamaAina Oct 2014 #24

LOL- true. There are sociopathic grifters of all ethnicities out there. bettyellen Oct 2014 #52

Shite. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #25

Bazinga! KamaAina Oct 2014 #46

Thems fightin words seveneyes Oct 2014 #26

My dad's side of the family was Scots-Irish, landed in the northeast, babylonsister Oct 2014 #27

My grandmother was a Scotch-Irish person, a Carr. I don't know when they Cleita Oct 2014 #32

"Their cultural roots in Calvinism also suggests why they don't support the government helping the muntrv Oct 2014 #35

Strange OP. H2O Man Oct 2014 #41

Bullcrap! KT2000 Oct 2014 #47

k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #49

"and the Scots-Irish are very much a culture of honor, muntrv Oct 2014 #50

Reagan was English-Scottish on his mom' side, Irish (as in, Irish Catholic) on his dad's YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #77

Reagan was the sort who would sell his soul for a blow job. hunter Oct 2014 #83

This is fucking racist bullshit. The Irish make up the most liberal Democrats that I know. TeamPooka Oct 2014 #53

Sounds somewhat simplistic to me. elleng Oct 2014 #54

The book this article is based on is an attempt to explain southern white rural violence. fifthoffive Oct 2014 #55

If they're going to blame 2 centuries back for a culture of violence, look at the Cavaliers. politicat Oct 2014 #88

The correct term is Scotch-Irish. rogerashton Oct 2014 #57

Scotch is a kind of whiskey. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #68

What you say is correct. But rogerashton Oct 2014 #69

What a load of shite. edbermac Oct 2014 #60

This article is so full of historical flaws I don't even know where to begin theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #61

+1 KoKo Oct 2014 #62

Well get the red out Oct 2014 #63

This article is five years old. Demit Oct 2014 #65

The Protestant vs. Catholic warfare has always been intense in my family. hunter Oct 2014 #66

This French and Native American son of the south has no quarrel with this study Tom Ripley Oct 2014 #67

Well fuuuuuuck me! OriginalGeek Oct 2014 #70

What do they mean by "herders"? ladyVet Oct 2014 #71

Reiver cultures everywhere tend to like violence AngryAmish Oct 2014 #75

I think the reality is far more complicated than this... YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #73

I'm Irish, Scots-Irish and Southern. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #74

Well I am Scots-Irish. People are not their upaloopa Oct 2014 #78

And this kind of post is why I wish for an UNREC button... DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #79

All generalizations are bullshit tularetom Oct 2014 #80

But that's terrible cultural history. It doesn't work. politicat Oct 2014 #87

Excellent post theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #90

K&R right here... This is a great read, it'll take a while to digest it. Thanks for posting this. freshwest Oct 2014 #93

If someone started a thread on the "African culture" from which many American blacks are descended, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #92