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25. I found these two points as to why that's not a great idea to be interesting.

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 03:03 PM

Oct 2014

I realize this is in a reply to Elisabeth Hasselbeck, and I'm not equating you to her in anyway. It's a valid question which is on a lot of peoples minds right now.

Fauci: From a public health standpoint, that really doesn't make any sense...

The best way to protect America is to suppress the epidemic in West Africa. And if we completely isolate them, don't let anything in don't let anything out, we know from experience with public health, that marginalizes them, and you could have civil unrest, the governments could fall. And then you could wind up having the spread the virus to other countries in west Africa, which would only compound the problem.

Hasselbeck: What about something perhaps less extreme…

Fauci: Like what?

Hasselbeck: …Not a complete closing. I don't think anyone who has a heart wants some—a group of people to just suffer alone in the world, and there are those that want to go and help, and my heart is with them. But what about a partial ban? A closing of our borders of travel?

Fauci: A closing of our borders? I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean by that…

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work. If you look at the newspapers, if you look at the TV coverage, you think that West Africa is this nation of the people that you see on the front page of the New York Times sick in Ebola treatment units.

It's a much much larger—this is a nation of millions and millions of people—multiple nations, not one. You have Americans there, you have businesspeople there, people of dual citizenship, who have to go back and forth. It's completely impractical, and from a public health standpoint, not helpful, to [shut down borders]. And I think every public health official feels that way.

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/uppity-doctor-is-having-none-of-hasselbecks-ebola-borde-1642976766/+laceydonohue

I'm just offering this up here as more food for thought on the rationale behind the pros and cons of imposing a travel ban.

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It's time to prevent public travel from western africa and those originating from there. [View all] boston bean Oct 2014 OP

How do you plan to enforce this? sharp_stick Oct 2014 #1

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OMG republicans now want the federal government involved Skittles Oct 2014 #75

LOL. Nice gotcha. JimDandy Oct 2014 #94

Awww I missed him sharp_stick Oct 2014 #113

just another fucking moron Skittles Oct 2014 #124

Exactly meadowlark5 Oct 2014 #128

ebola could have been contained more quickly in Africa were it not for those slashed budgets Skittles Oct 2014 #134

True. And it also could have been contained if people had treated it as serious as a heart attack, Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #146

There are no flights from those 3 countries that land on the USA. If there were, shoot them down? uppityperson Oct 2014 #89

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No, there are not direct flights. Show me the links to prove there are. uppityperson Oct 2014 #99

From what I have been reading, they are no direct flights to the U.S. JimDandy Oct 2014 #90

How much do we pay customs officials to make sure that no one comes into the US with a bag of pot? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #140

I think it's time for the plastic sheeting and duct tape!!! msanthrope Oct 2014 #2

Duck and cover! greatauntoftriplets Oct 2014 #3

I'm telling ya'....everyone's watched too many zombie movies. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #6

Everyone knows that doesn't work Control-Z Oct 2014 #38

They always took us into the hall, away from all the windows. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2014 #40

I could post my Game Over Man, Game Over, video 10 times a day. n/t FSogol Oct 2014 #5

And some stock footage of the citizens of Tokyo fleeing Godzilla....nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #10

+1 Go Vols Oct 2014 #11

Is your anthrax vaccine current? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #14

West African Countries like Brussels, Dallas, and Spain? FSogol Oct 2014 #4

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One guy flying into Nigeria infected upwards of 20 more before they got a handle on it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #141

Nope. The only way is to sen lots of money, people, resources to deal with the outbreak so it uppityperson Oct 2014 #7

yup. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #8

I agree. The only other thing that might help some is that we the people voluntarily limit travel to jwirr Oct 2014 #30

an idea does not have to be racist to be stupid and unfeasible. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #9

no it pretty much is all three. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #17

Extremist nonsense attributing that to the OP. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #24

Yes the op is extremist nonsense. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #32

Yes, because the ONLY way we can help sick people over there is to allow them to vacation here. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #142

Nigeria had restrictions. But the suggestion Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #148

Nigeria was a clusterfuck, and they barely got it under control. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #153

What Texas can learn from Nigeria when it comes to containing Ebola Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #154

I will agree that it's a massive relief that it's not out of control now in Lagos or Port Harcourt. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #155

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Actually, the CDC issued a level 3 nonessential travel alert yesterday. PADemD Oct 2014 #144

Yeah, that'll work. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #13

Is Spain in West Africa? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #15

No it isn't. But thanks for deciding that millions of people not even near an infected area should Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #16

Thanks! Someone needs to point out some things to people. MineralMan Oct 2014 #20

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THOSE PEOPLE Skittles Oct 2014 #62

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LOL Skittles Oct 2014 #76

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OH but repukes certainly don't want to pay the taxes needed for such "PROTOCOLS" Skittles Oct 2014 #82

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I'm surprised there was no outrage here about what the Rude Pundit pposted notadmblnd Oct 2014 #109

he's making fun of overreaction Skittles Oct 2014 #125

See anything wrong with this photo? What is important? countryjake Oct 2014 #65

expect to hear some Faux News talking points, countryjake! Skittles Oct 2014 #77

He sure was persistent, shooting down sick people (or jets) for the greater good ... countryjake Oct 2014 #137

OMG Skittles Oct 2014 #157

Really? I think republicans should be required to greet all passengers of flights notadmblnd Oct 2014 #81

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Boy, you read into that exactly what you wanted to didn't you? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #88

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There are no direct flights, so how or why ban nonexistent thing? uppityperson Oct 2014 #95

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #98

There are no direct flights so why ban something that does not exist? uppityperson Oct 2014 #111

No, of course not. I would just favor restrictions on flights out of those countries to any country smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #118

77 people have been stopped from flying by the screenings, 17 last month, of thousands who flew uppityperson Oct 2014 #120

I am not sure I get your point. smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #123

There is no way to stop all cases. Current restrictions have told 77 people the can't fly, 1 exposed uppityperson Oct 2014 #129

Oh, no. Of course I don't agree with them. Maybe I responded to the wrong person. smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #167

Are you intentionally ignorant about ebola? Today is day 11 since Thomas Duncan was hospitalized notadmblnd Oct 2014 #105

Don't worry. It's a "black" disease, you know. MineralMan Oct 2014 #18

It's a scary one scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #50

You're getting a lot of curt responses. I disagree with you but what you are talking about stevenleser Oct 2014 #19

Did you forget that we've sent troops there to do humanitarian work? MineralMan Oct 2014 #21

The military will use military transport to and from West Africa. n/t JimDandy Oct 2014 #33

Yes, and what difference does that make? MineralMan Oct 2014 #34

Your question read like you were asking HOW we would get our military JimDandy Oct 2014 #41

Sorry if I was unclear. MineralMan Oct 2014 #43

Will they be quarantined by themselves with no outside contact for 3 wks when they return? uppityperson Oct 2014 #37

Luckily, in this day and age, we have many ways for family to stay in contact with them JimDandy Oct 2014 #45

We should let troops and other healthcare professionals in, however there should smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #102

CDC Director just said 840high Oct 2014 #131

Respectfully disagree. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #22

" Only an effective intervention by international health authorities will." Exactly! uppityperson Oct 2014 #31

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Common sense is not the same thing as geek tragedy Oct 2014 #60

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You said, "As for the 99.9% who don't have it, that's just too bad." countryjake Oct 2014 #74

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How humane of you... countryjake Oct 2014 #79

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Medical assistance, people have their own means of transport? Hahahaahahaha. Fail. They fly uppityperson Oct 2014 #86

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MSF and WHO are amateurs in dealing with diseases where the us military is not? Hahahahaha uppityperson Oct 2014 #96

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You make too much sense. smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #92

you mean the racist troll? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #121

Do you really think a travel ban will keep it from crossing borders? geek tragedy Oct 2014 #100

again..presupposing that Ebola is only spread by those flying out of that country? Sheepshank Oct 2014 #112

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Why be selective? Why not all areas where there have Downwinder Oct 2014 #23

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we certainly already know what you are Skittles Oct 2014 #70

I found these two points as to why that's not a great idea to be interesting. herding cats Oct 2014 #25

It can't be effectively done. Agschmid Oct 2014 #26

Your suggestion reminds me of that lockdown in the Monrovia slum... countryjake Oct 2014 #27

Your OP is offensive. nt MADem Oct 2014 #28

I'm puzzled by the premptive defense against accusations of racism... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #36

Indeed. nt MADem Oct 2014 #42

I'm not that puzzled, really. MineralMan Oct 2014 #51

Are you REALLY puzzled? Really? Number23 Oct 2014 #127

I'm not puzzled - DU 840high Oct 2014 #132

So, have you thought about this a little more since starting the thread? MineralMan Oct 2014 #29

I doubt they thought about it initially! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #53

Well, enough to try to fend off people who might think racism MineralMan Oct 2014 #54

A defintate hit and run post! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #56

Frankly, I was more than a little surprised by it. MineralMan Oct 2014 #58

I wasn't surprised at all. nt MADem Oct 2014 #139

You're channeling Elisabeth Hasselbeck...and that's not a good thing: Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #35

If they don't control it soon, I can see a 21-day isolation policy kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #39

You're behind the times re: UK. Your animal quarantine information is WAY out of date. MADem Oct 2014 #47

Well it's been over ten years since I needed to prep a cat to go to the UK. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #49

They switched to a home quarantine not too long after the chunnel opened (five years or so), IIRC. MADem Oct 2014 #63

The laws did change but it was not due to the chunnel goldent Oct 2014 #165

It was six years after the chunnel opened that the law changed, and the push to change the law MADem Oct 2014 #170

You do realize that would only make things worse, not better Hugabear Oct 2014 #44

Route private aid supplies and personnel JimDandy Oct 2014 #67

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.... Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #46

Perfect. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #48

Simple and to the point. MineralMan Oct 2014 #52

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Post and run??? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #55

EEEEE Bole Ahhhh! Feral Child Oct 2014 #64

This would not work, even just due sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #68

So people who are not ill are effectively held prisoner? alarimer Oct 2014 #72

That IS what a quarantine type of ban is for... JimDandy Oct 2014 #84

jury results... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #103

Indeed. I served on that one too. #7 missed the point entirely. arcane1 Oct 2014 #106

Wow...no wonder you won't come back and comment. Rex Oct 2014 #104

Care to bet whether she tries to pretend in the future that this thread had never even existed? Electric Monk Oct 2014 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Oct 2014 #107

You do realize what will happen if you try to do that right? dilby Oct 2014 #108

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wow, according to some, I am a racist.... boston bean Oct 2014 #117

Well, well, well. Welcome to the club BB The Straight Story Oct 2014 #130

Well well well boston bean Oct 2014 #133

I was a victim of that spurious labeling. nt MADem Oct 2014 #135

I was falsely attacked a few times, too. So yeah, it does suck. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #162

I don't think yr a racist, but I can see why the thread wandered down that path... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #147

+1 Thanks for linking to that Washington Post piece. countryjake Oct 2014 #152

First off, 4 people agree with you. Second, I don't think you are a racist. Rex Oct 2014 #163

Embarrassing. Marr Oct 2014 #122

It's more of a "facts be damned" attitude, I suspect. nt MADem Oct 2014 #126

Well this thread did bring out "name removed" neverforget Oct 2014 #136

I agree. Borders are already closed, and that has worked to keep it contained to 3 main countries Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #138

What a fecking stupid idea. Nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #143

Not stupid, according to the CDC and the UK government. PADemD Oct 2014 #145

Warning people against nonessential travel to arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #149

Not many people can afford PADemD Oct 2014 #151

Do you understand that the land borders around those countries are already closed? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #156

Closing off getting aid, supplies and medical arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #158

And Senegal has opened up a humanitarian air bridge. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #159

I consider vacationers non essential travellers arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #161

I think we all have the same goal. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #166

Agreed. I see a lot of fear and we need to arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #168

I've been paying attention to this since April. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #169

I totally agree but some if what I've seen as arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #171

Well, chew on this: Who are some of the largest constituencies in our party? Public employees- Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #172

I think the way to handle the problem is to get the right medical equipment gollygee Oct 2014 #150

Well..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #160

I'm going to trust that the CDC has this one under control Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #164