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scarystuffyo

(733 posts)
27. The CDC is lying to us...they really can't say 100% it can't go airborne
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

They say no virus that they know of ever has , well this is like no other virus we have dealt with.





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Scientists have said for some time that Ebola may be spread through coughing, sneezing and other aerosol transmission.

The top American health agency - the U.S. Centers for Disease Control - has denied this for months. But CDC has finally been forced to admit that it's true.

The Los Angeles Times reports today:






Some scientists who have long studied Ebola say such assurances are premature — and they are concerned about what is not known about the strain now on the loose.



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Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC’s most far-reaching study of Ebola’s transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.



“We just don’t have the data to exclude it,” said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at the University of Texas in Galveston.



Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army’s Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government’s massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. “Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here.”



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“I see the reasons to dampen down public fears,” Russell said. “But scientifically, we’re in the middle of the first experiment of multiple, serial passages of Ebola virus in man…. God knows what this virus is going to look like. I don’t.”



Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the CDC in Atlanta, said health officials were basing their response to Ebola on what has been learned from battling the virus since its discovery in central Africa in 1976. The CDC remains confident, he said, that Ebola is transmitted principally by direct physical contact with an ill person or their bodily fluids. [Well, yes ... everyone knows that physical contact with the victim or their fluids is the prime route of exposure.]



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Finally, some also question the official assertion that Ebola cannot be transmitted through the air. In late 1989, virus researcher Charles L. Bailey supervised the government’s response to an outbreak of Ebola among several dozen rhesus monkeys housed for research in Reston, Va., a suburb of Washington.



What Bailey learned from the episode informs his suspicion that the current strain of Ebola afflicting humans might be spread through tiny liquid droplets propelled into the air by coughing or sneezing.



“We know for a fact that the virus occurs in sputum and no one has ever done a study [disproving that] coughing or sneezing is a viable means of transmitting,” he said. Unqualified assurances that Ebola is not spread through the air, Bailey said, are “misleading.”



Peters, whose CDC team studied cases from 27 households that emerged during a 1995 Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo, said that while most could be attributed to contact with infected late-stage patients or their bodily fluids, “some” infections may have occurred via “aerosol transmission.”



Skinner of the CDC, who cited the Peters-led study as the most extensive of Ebola’s transmissibility, said that while the evidence “is really overwhelming” that people are most at risk when they touch either those who are sick or such a person’s vomit, blood or diarrhea, “we can never say never” about spread through close-range coughing or sneezing.



“I’m not going to sit here and say that if a person who is highly viremic … were to sneeze or cough right in the face of somebody who wasn’t protected, that we wouldn’t have a transmission,” Skinner said.



Peters, Russell and Bailey, who in 1989 was deputy commander for research of the Army’s Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, in Frederick, Md., said the primates in Reston had appeared to spread Ebola to other monkeys through their breath.

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Healthcare workers are in a class of their own and need protective equipment. Majority of cases uppityperson Oct 2014 #1
But the CDC is not requiring they be given this equipment, without which their risk of pnwmom Oct 2014 #2
While I agree with the general idea... Agschmid Oct 2014 #10
They don't. The WHO should also change their recommendations, according to these experts. pnwmom Oct 2014 #11
I generally agree. Agschmid Oct 2014 #16
and dealing with the bodies of those who have died. cali Oct 2014 #3
Indeed, they also. High risk groups including dealing with highly infectious dead need better uppityperson Oct 2014 #4
Can't argue with that. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #36
given that some caregivers have contracted the disease after all known precautions... Kalidurga Oct 2014 #5
more from link on concept of "aerosol transmissible" to replace outdated paradigm zazen Oct 2014 #6
this ^^^ librechik Oct 2014 #9
Thank you, zazen, for posting more about the "outdated paradigm" some are using to back up pnwmom Oct 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #22
See post 7. "Outdated paradigms" you've been hearing about are not actually a problem. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #23
One study doesn't prove anything. The point is that the scientific experts disagree on this, pnwmom Oct 2014 #35
Not according to this study published this year. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2014 #7
thx for the access! n/t librechik Oct 2014 #8
The authors in the OP dispute the conclusion of your study, and explain why in their article. pnwmom Oct 2014 #12
As I commented on another post about this: dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #14
Right. We should take the most conservative approach to protecting our health care personnel. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #15
Good article, thanks for posting. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #17
What is clear is that there is no proof that it cannot be transmitted through the air. pnwmom Oct 2014 #18
I'm all for taking as many precautions as possible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #19
Except that the evidence you discount is that 120 healthcare workers have gotten pnwmom Oct 2014 #20
I didn't discount anything, actually. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #21
And if airborne transmission actually occurred, that number would be 120,000. jeff47 Oct 2014 #24
No, airborne transmission could be unlikely but POSSIBLE. That is clearly what the scientists who pnwmom Oct 2014 #25
No, they really don't. jeff47 Oct 2014 #31
Because whenever there is a case where it might have happened, such as with Dr. Brantley pnwmom Oct 2014 #32
When in danger or in doubt. run in circles, scream and shout. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #26
I agree neverforget Oct 2014 #33
The CDC is lying to us...they really can't say 100% it can't go airborne scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #27
“Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here.” zazen Oct 2014 #29
I haven't been here long enough to notice the shaming but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #30
Oh boy, here we go again with the fearmongering.....nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #37
Considering what a grizzly epidemic this is, sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #28
"healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not (N95) facemasks" riverwalker Oct 2014 #34
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