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pnwmom

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32. Because whenever there is a case where it might have happened, such as with Dr. Brantley
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 07:31 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:04 PM - Edit history (4)

or the Spanish medical worker, it is immediately dismissed as impossible.

How come no one can show how Dr. Brantley was infected?

And the fact is that Ebola IS classified as a Level 4 hazard, so scientists are fully protected when they work with it. Health care workers deserve as much protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease

In laboratories where diagnostic testing is carried out, biosafety level 4-equivalent containment is required, since Ebola viruses are World Health Organization Risk Group 4 pathogens. Laboratory researchers must be properly trained in BSL-4 practices and wear proper personal protective equipment.

Biosafety level 4


This level is required for work with dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections, agents which cause severe to fatal disease in humans for which vaccines or other treatments are not available, such as Bolivian and Argentine hemorrhagic fevers, Marburg virus, Ebola virus, Lassa virus, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, and various other hemorrhagic diseases. This level is also used for work with agents such as smallpox that are considered dangerous enough to require the additional safety measures, regardless of vaccination availability. When dealing with biological hazards at this level the use of a positive pressure personnel suit, with a segregated air supply is mandatory. The entrance and exit of a level four biolab will contain multiple showers, a vacuum room, an ultraviolet light room, and other safety precautions designed to destroy all traces of the biohazard. Multiple airlocks are employed and are electronically secured to prevent both doors from opening at the same time. All air and water service going to and coming from a biosafety level 4 (or P4) lab will undergo similar decontamination procedures to eliminate the possibility of an accidental release.

Agents with a close or identical antigenic relationship to biosafety level 4 agents are handled at this level until sufficient data are obtained either to confirm continued work at this level, or to work with them at a lower level.

Members of the laboratory staff have specific and thorough training in handling extremely hazardous infectious agents and they understand the primary and secondary containment functions of the standard and special practices, the containment equipment, and the laboratory design characteristics. They are supervised by qualified scientists who are trained and experienced in working with these agents. Access to the laboratory is strictly controlled by the laboratory director.

The facility is either in a separate building or in a controlled area within a building, which is completely isolated from all other areas of the building. A specific facility operations manual is prepared or adopted. Building protocols for preventing contamination often use negatively pressurized facilities, which, even if compromised, would severely inhibit an outbreak of aerosol pathogens.

Within work areas of the facility, all activities are confined to Class III biological safety cabinets, or Class II biological safety cabinets used with one-piece positive pressure personnel suits ventilated by a life support system.

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Healthcare workers are in a class of their own and need protective equipment. Majority of cases uppityperson Oct 2014 #1
But the CDC is not requiring they be given this equipment, without which their risk of pnwmom Oct 2014 #2
While I agree with the general idea... Agschmid Oct 2014 #10
They don't. The WHO should also change their recommendations, according to these experts. pnwmom Oct 2014 #11
I generally agree. Agschmid Oct 2014 #16
and dealing with the bodies of those who have died. cali Oct 2014 #3
Indeed, they also. High risk groups including dealing with highly infectious dead need better uppityperson Oct 2014 #4
Can't argue with that. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #36
given that some caregivers have contracted the disease after all known precautions... Kalidurga Oct 2014 #5
more from link on concept of "aerosol transmissible" to replace outdated paradigm zazen Oct 2014 #6
this ^^^ librechik Oct 2014 #9
Thank you, zazen, for posting more about the "outdated paradigm" some are using to back up pnwmom Oct 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #22
See post 7. "Outdated paradigms" you've been hearing about are not actually a problem. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #23
One study doesn't prove anything. The point is that the scientific experts disagree on this, pnwmom Oct 2014 #35
Not according to this study published this year. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2014 #7
thx for the access! n/t librechik Oct 2014 #8
The authors in the OP dispute the conclusion of your study, and explain why in their article. pnwmom Oct 2014 #12
As I commented on another post about this: dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #14
Right. We should take the most conservative approach to protecting our health care personnel. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #15
Good article, thanks for posting. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #17
What is clear is that there is no proof that it cannot be transmitted through the air. pnwmom Oct 2014 #18
I'm all for taking as many precautions as possible. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #19
Except that the evidence you discount is that 120 healthcare workers have gotten pnwmom Oct 2014 #20
I didn't discount anything, actually. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #21
And if airborne transmission actually occurred, that number would be 120,000. jeff47 Oct 2014 #24
No, airborne transmission could be unlikely but POSSIBLE. That is clearly what the scientists who pnwmom Oct 2014 #25
No, they really don't. jeff47 Oct 2014 #31
Because whenever there is a case where it might have happened, such as with Dr. Brantley pnwmom Oct 2014 #32
When in danger or in doubt. run in circles, scream and shout. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #26
I agree neverforget Oct 2014 #33
The CDC is lying to us...they really can't say 100% it can't go airborne scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #27
“Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here.” zazen Oct 2014 #29
I haven't been here long enough to notice the shaming but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #30
Oh boy, here we go again with the fearmongering.....nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #37
Considering what a grizzly epidemic this is, sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #28
"healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not (N95) facemasks" riverwalker Oct 2014 #34
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