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pnwmom

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Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:04 AM Oct 2014

Cenk Uygur a sell-out? 4 million little reasons [View all]

Last edited Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:13 AM - Edit history (4)

Few would dispute that Obama hasn’t accomplished much of what his supporters wished. But recently, Cenk Uygur claimed that Obama didn’t even have any goals – that he was just aimlessly coasting through his second term. But Cenk knows as well as anyone else that Obama had very ambitious and clearly stated goals for his second term. For Cenk to say otherwise makes no sense . . . unless he has 4 million little reasons.

Oh, wait – he does. $4 million in “seed money” last April from a right-wing group led by Buddy Roehmer (a former GOP candidate for President) Plus an "option" for another $4 million, depending on . . . nobody knows, exactly.

Check out the evolution of Cenk’s views, below, followed by two other points of view: the WA Post on Obama's "incredibly ambitious second term agenda," and then liberal economist Paul Krugman's take on Obama's accomplishments, recently published in Rolling Stone.

4/16/14

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/04/cenk-uygur-just-took-4-million-from-a-conservative-source-but-hes-still-a-better-liberal-than-you/

Just a little while ago the Young Turks Network announced that it’s inked a deal to get $4-million in seed money from a group run by Buddy Roemer. . . . In addition to his retrograde views on abortion and gay marriage, he also supported Arizona’s draconian crackdown on undocumented immigrants, is pro-torture, and is for the repeal of the ACA, saying that it amounts to government interference in healthcare. In other words, the guy is the furthest thing from a liberal.

But as we know, a large-scale political bent isn’t as important or desirable as it used to be. These days it’s entirely possible to get away with treating politics like you do everything else: as something that can be split apart and consumed à la carte and on-demand. Pick which issue is most important to you, your personal sine qua non, and ignore everything else. Think drones and kill lists are the most pressing problem facing America right now? Congratulations, you can apparently #StandWithRand and still be taken seriously as a liberal, even though he’s kind of a racist asshole. Think NSA spying matters more than anything else in the whole world? Hey, Glenn Greenwald has figured out a way to overcome the cognitive dissonance that should plague you if you choose to align yourself with otherwise repugnant creatures who happen to be anti-surveillance.

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Buddy Roemer is by no means a bad person, but he holds an entire slew of beliefs that should be deal-breakers in the eyes of someone who proclaims himself to be a liberal. Or, in Uygur’s case, someone who proclaims himself to be a better liberal than you. Uygur spends so much time arrogantly haranguing people who dare to disagree with him from the left that his willingness to be Buddy Roemer’s bitch carries with it a tasty amount of schadenfreude. Granted, 4-mil is 4-mil, but it’s going to be interesting the next time he tries to hold somebody to the progressive standard he piously claims to represent.

9/15/14

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cenk-uygur-would-lay-money-on-rand-paul-being-the-next-president/

If I was a betting man, and I am… right now I’d lay money on Rand Paul being the next president of the United States.”


10/6/2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/what-has-obama-done-for-y_b_5939762.html

Can anyone tell me what President Obama's second-term goals are? What has he accomplished? What would he like to accomplish? . . . I've never seen a guy want to coast this much as president. Even Bush who couldn't wait to get out of office and be an ex-president was at least still trying really bad ideas to the end. What in the world is President Obama's agenda?!

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Obama laid out his goals. Cenk just thinks we weren’t listening.
Or he's saying what Buddy Roemer wants him to say.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/12/obamas-incredibly-ambitious-second-term-agenda/

Obama’s incredibly ambitious second term agenda”

Imagine, for a moment, that President Obama managed to pass every policy he proposed Tuesday night. Within a couple of years, every 4-year-old would have access to preschool. The federal minimum wage would be at $9 -- higher than it's been, after adjusting for inflation, since 1981. There'd be a cap-and-trade program limiting our carbon emissions and a vast infrastructure investment to upgrade our roads and bridges. Taxes would be higher, guns would be harder to come by, and undocumented immigrants would have a path to citizenship. America would be a markedly different country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/10/how-obama-has-used-executive-powers-compared-to-his-predecessors/

Obama has also signed far reaching orders on climate change in November 2013 – forcing power plants to cut their emissions by 30 percent by 2030 – which will be much discussed in this year’s elections. The president has instigated 23 separate executive orders on gun control, which have made information about mental illnesses available in background checks and expanded research into causes of gun violence. Obama has promised two new executive actions on gun control but again, there’s no sign of them.

Through his executive powers, Obama has slowly extended the rights for same-sex couples and raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $10.10. But for all the accusations of abuse of power, his actual uses of his executive authority so far aren’t that far-reaching: Not so much the smack of firm government, more nudging in a certain direction. George W. Bush for example managed to gut the Presidential Records Act (greatly reducing access to presidential records), limit federal funding for stem cell research and sidestep the Geneva Convention on interrogation techniques -- all through executive orders, even when he had Congress on his side. Interestingly, all of these orders were later rescinded by Obama.

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Of course, how far-reaching these orders are is subjective and many of Obama’s opponents would argue that combined with his efforts so far, his latest actions on gun control and immigration will go far beyond what his predecessors have done. But he’s certainly not alone among presidents who have used executive powers to get big things done.

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Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman on Obama's accomplishments -- the ones Cenk says don't exist (after inking a $4 million contract).

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

Obama faces trash talk left, right and center – literally – and doesn't deserve it. Despite bitter opposition, despite having come close to self-inflicted disaster, Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history. His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it's working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it's much more effective than you'd think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy.

I'll go through those achievements shortly. First, however, let's take a moment to talk about the current wave of Obama-bashing. All Obama-bashing can be divided into three types. One, a constant of his time in office, is the onslaught from the right, which has never stopped portraying him as an Islamic atheist Marxist Kenyan. Nothing has changed on that front, and nothing will.

There's a different story on the left, where you now find a significant number of critics decrying Obama as, to quote Cornel West, someone who ''posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit.'' They're outraged that Wall Street hasn't been punished, that income inequality remains so high, that ''neoliberal'' economic policies are still in place. All of this seems to rest on the belief that if only Obama had put his eloquence behind a radical economic agenda, he could somehow have gotten that agenda past all the political barriers that have con- strained even his much more modest efforts. It's hard to take such claims seriously.

Finally, there's the constant belittling of Obama from mainstream pundits and talking heads. Turn on cable news (although I wouldn't advise it) and you'll hear endless talk about a rudderless, stalled administration, maybe even about a failed presidency. Such talk is often buttressed by polls showing that Obama does, indeed, have an approval rating that is very low by historical standards.

But this bashing is misguided even in its own terms – and in any case, it's focused on the wrong thing.


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DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #1
A Little Correction On Cenk's 4 Million Dollars From Roemer... Electric Monk Oct 2014 #154
Thanks. I didn't realize it had an option that could push it to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #159
Why should we act surprised when 'one of our own' goes over to the Dark Side? randome Oct 2014 #2
You're right, this was predictable. But people should now take anything he says pnwmom Oct 2014 #3
LOL ... Nice! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #28
Who went to the "Dark Side", Cenk? Dawgs Oct 2014 #21
if by your side you mean Republicans like Buddy VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #32
I'll take that as a no. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #90
This is a hit piece on Cenk. zeemike Oct 2014 #39
Yesterday someone posted Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #72
My guess would be no since.... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #152
Only until I checked back in. zeemike Oct 2014 #158
Cenk is not a politician and is not in charge of our lives and our country. zeemike Oct 2014 #157
And the $4 million doesn't get a say marym625 Oct 2014 #155
Don't you mean "the green side?" nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #170
You need to get out more. Buddy Roemer ran for President last time as a one issue candidate. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #4
I know how he ran. But he has many other positions that are completely opposed to progressive goals. pnwmom Oct 2014 #5
"à la carte" politics frazzled Oct 2014 #6
This OP smells like a hit-piece on Cenk RussBLib Oct 2014 #7
I suppose you think Citizens United is a good thing, then. randome Oct 2014 #9
Roehmer sure didn't think Citizens United was a good thing. merrily Oct 2014 #33
No, it shouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #34
A conversation maybe, but NOT propaganda, which is what that was. cascadiance Oct 2014 #124
it is. at least they have moved on from Greenwald for a minute. m-lekktor Oct 2014 #15
That's Because It Is... WillyT Oct 2014 #16
That's because it is. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #43
Hey, we can do this too. From the Daily Banter site: beerandjesus Oct 2014 #46
Did you complain about Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama yesterday? pnwmom Oct 2014 #70
Exactly! Andy823 Oct 2014 #97
Cenk's attack on Obama was a "hit piece," and some DUer posted it here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #73
Oh, that's okay, doncha know.. But, mustn't expose Cenk or that is attacked with the trite Cha Oct 2014 #150
Agreed. He knows money is what prevents mmonk Oct 2014 #82
Oh poor poor little Cenk.. leave him alone! He's the one spewing shit and he gets called on it. Cha Oct 2014 #148
Cenk Uygar gets in bed with Roehmer, sorta like Hamsher getting in bed with Boortz. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #8
Astute. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #11
Exactly, Moh.. the $$$$$$ they make from ODS is obscene. President Obama is a one man Cha Oct 2014 #151
Oh please... Hissyspit Oct 2014 #197
Excellent OP, pnwmom. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #10
"Or he's saying what Buddy Roemer wants him to say." G_j Oct 2014 #12
News to me. Good to know! Thank you. hedgehog Oct 2014 #13
Smells like a hit piece on Cenk to me also. I assume because he is not a BO cheerleader and calls it GoneFishin Oct 2014 #14
+1 beerandjesus Oct 2014 #18
+1 RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #26
What he wrote was a "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #75
There is a lot of smell coming from the hit pieces sheshe2 Oct 2014 #183
And the posters trashing him Puglover Oct 2014 #199
OK. How many people here actually watch TYT every day? Dawgs Oct 2014 #17
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #20
ditto willyT roguevalley Oct 2014 #29
But Cenk said something bad about Obama and must be neverforget Oct 2014 #109
I agree. Stand and Fight Oct 2014 #141
By your *logic,* OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #19
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #36
By your explanation, OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #48
Interesting that you would consider a mere response for me ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #53
Well, you cried "Stalker!" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #61
Done. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #63
Huzzah! OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #65
Aren't you late for recess? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #67
Can't deny me, always want to try me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #69
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #71
Admit it: You love me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #74
This is a flat out hit piece on TYT and Cenk tkmorris Oct 2014 #22
That emotionally or financially invested. merrily Oct 2014 #27
Cenk is the one who is financially invested. pnwmom Oct 2014 #192
What Cenk said about Obama having no goals was equally a hit piece. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #76
No it wasn't tkmorris Oct 2014 #94
No, it was a lie. He's extremely well informed and thus had to know that Obama pnwmom Oct 2014 #110
give it up RussBLib Oct 2014 #120
What did Cenk say that I'm objecting to? pnwmom Oct 2014 #125
I like Cenk Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #23
K&R BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #24
Yep, I watched Current TV's coverage of the 2009 election and... Spazito Oct 2014 #31
West and Moore are libertarians now? merrily Oct 2014 #35
Left wing libertarians ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #37
Is that what they are actually saying they are? Or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #41
As with much of what is discussed on message boards ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #49
Yes, and I also know my opinion of how some DUers reach their conclusions. merrily Oct 2014 #50
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56
Not really. Usually, I don't call people names just because they disagree with me about merrily Oct 2014 #98
Oh, really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #106
Excuse me, but how is centrist loyalist a name? Every merrily Oct 2014 #107
Nor is "Libertarian" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #115
Please tell me you can do better than that. Really, please. merrily Oct 2014 #119
Okay. (1SBM disengaging) eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #121
If a rose waddles like a duck, it's a Libertarian. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #54
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #59
Idiotic whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #58
Such a cogent and convincing refutation! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60
Befitting your "cogent evaluation" of Moore and West n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #66
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #68
Moore is so libertarian he supports a government sponsored single payer health care system. Maven Oct 2014 #163
Not certain whether you are referring to me, or sarcasticly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #167
Yes--in the sense that to the anti's, "libertarian" is a synonym for "asshole" beerandjesus Oct 2014 #42
Did Moore and West actually say they were assholes, or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #45
Believe it or not BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #57
I believe it. Wiki has a page on a lot of things. That does not mean that Moore or West are merrily Oct 2014 #77
I think you're conflating social/political philosphy and party BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #88
It's not a matter of which party he is willing to swing with. merrily Oct 2014 #95
You were the one who made the initial comment about "party". BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #99
Yes, and you were the one who decided my comment meant where Moore is willing to hang out. merrily Oct 2014 #101
Here is my post BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #103
Yes, that was your post about six posts ago. I remember it. merrily Oct 2014 #105
Many of us here are left libertarians. We generally are just amused by the antics of the BOG in the Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #195
However there are those in the thread that deny such a thing as "left libertarian". nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #196
Cenk is trying to get money out of politics. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #25
Roemer was also a Democrat and ended as a candidate, knowing he'd lose, but fighting $$ in politics. merrily Oct 2014 #30
He left the Democrats in 1991 -- 23 years ago. He's a typical Rethug on most issues. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #78
Certainly not on his position on campaign finance. merrily Oct 2014 #83
Not on that single issue. But that doesn't make him a good ally overall. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #84
But at the sametime you're painting Cenk as a sellout on a single issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #93
Doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad business partner either. In truth, you don't know, one way or merrily Oct 2014 #96
Roemer's not a typical repug. elleng Oct 2014 #38
He is on most issues. pnwmom Oct 2014 #79
Not sure about that. elleng Oct 2014 #86
He also fought pollution. Whether that was purely political or not, I don't know. merrily Oct 2014 #104
So taking money to get money out of politics must corrupt one's politics? bluedigger Oct 2014 #40
If you take it from a right-winger and then go on to falsely accuse pnwmom Oct 2014 #87
Again I ask, if taking the money is the issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #122
It's the COMBINATION of taking money from the Rethugs pnwmom Oct 2014 #123
For example, I'm a liberal and I can agree with any GoPer that is against war. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #126
this is not PROMOTING Rand Paul RussBLib Oct 2014 #129
Meh, I think if selling out was a motivation for Cenk he'd have stayed on at MSMBS. He was told by Erose999 Oct 2014 #44
... merrily Oct 2014 #62
Not a bit surprised by this..after all he is a libertarian.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #47
Lousy sell-out. Anything for money, even dirty money, even if it's a few bucks. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #51
I never liked Uygur discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2014 #52
Thanks for this, I forgot to renew my TYT subscription. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2014 #55
Come on, Cenk just returned to his roots, as if he ever left 'em. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #64
Then I guess you must not like a lot of politicians. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #91
But neither of them were ever Republicans, now were they? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #108
Charlie Crist is a former Republican running as a Democrat neverforget Oct 2014 #117
You're damned straight, I'd vote for him. Cenk's returned to his "Republican" roots, & that's okay. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #118
How has returned to his Republican roots, or are you joking? Dawgs Oct 2014 #131
I know, Cenk has an awfully tough job. I mean, his job is MUCH harder than the President's. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #138
Ca-Ching~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #164
My dear Sheshe, nothing is more fitting than the clip you chose. $$$$$ Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #172
So true Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #175
Good Lord neverforget Oct 2014 #137
Ca-Ching!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #139
What's that supposed to mean? Cenk shouldn't get paid to do what he does? neverforget Oct 2014 #143
And there's the money quote. I know exactly where you're coming from now. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #144
you can't even answer a simple question. neverforget Oct 2014 #145
Cenk: "I am the One Percent dammit, and I get paid for spreadin' haterade!!!!" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #146
How old are you? 10? neverforget Oct 2014 #149
Yup. Can't wait to grow up & be rich like Uncle Cenk. I just hope I'm more discriminating. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #173
So you have no argument but you are envious of his success. neverforget Oct 2014 #174
Well... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #177
unless you call posting a picture of a kid in diapers sitting on a pile of money neverforget Oct 2014 #178
1%...1%....1%.....Occupy Cenk! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #180
You are cracking me up, Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #176
I know! Grade school debate is hilarious! neverforget Oct 2014 #181
Can you imagine the poo flingin' if "3rd way, corporatist, Muslin, Kenyan, used car salesman..." Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #182
Well ya! It sure would scare the heck out of me! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #186
She, you're killin' me. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #187
How often do you watch his show? Because I watch it every day. Dawgs Oct 2014 #130
and before he took Roemer's money, Cenk was all pro-Obama? Enrique Oct 2014 #80
Was Cenk's "critique" of Obama honest? The one where he ignored pnwmom Oct 2014 #81
Then criticize his critique instead of smearing him as a sell-out. deurbano Oct 2014 #89
But I don't think it's a coincidence that he took substantial money from Roemer in April pnwmom Oct 2014 #113
Cenk has criticized Obama for years, all the way back when he was on MSNBC. merrily Oct 2014 #128
Here's your problem: That's a SOTU speech tkmorris Oct 2014 #112
That isn't a problem. The SOTU speech is where a President is supposed to lay out his agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #116
Really? Every politician has goals, and Cenk knows this. Dawgs Oct 2014 #132
If Cenk knows this, then why did he accuse Obama of having no agenda? pnwmom Oct 2014 #133
Because he has no agenda if he doesn't fight for anything. Dawgs Oct 2014 #134
He's been signing executive orders to get around the Rethugs obstructionism. pnwmom Oct 2014 #135
It's called Andy823 Oct 2014 #140
he's fighting for TPP Enrique Oct 2014 #136
Question? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #179
While Cenk has been mostly useful . . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2014 #85
I'll never forget how Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #193
He sold his soul for big bucks. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #92
Why does anyone care what Cenk says? JaneyVee Oct 2014 #100
Excellent observation. Cenk swings with public opinion. "Hate Bush? So do I." Ca-Ching. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #114
Armstrong Williams is a good analogy. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #142
Don't watch or listen to Cenk. Then they won't give him money to BE a sellout. TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #102
Yesterday someone posted his attack on Obama here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #111
I shall lose a lot of sleep over this. progressoid Oct 2014 #127
Cenk has alway been a profiteering whiny pos.. Oh, and he stupidly blamed the WH for losing his job Cha Oct 2014 #147
I remember that is was blame Obama then... Historic NY Oct 2014 #153
Not a sell out marym625 Oct 2014 #156
It's not because he called Obama on something, it's because he falsely said Obama had no agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #160
Yes, I didn't realize that Cenk has an option to go up to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #166
What reason do you have marym625 Oct 2014 #168
Because of his false claim about Obama having no agenda, which was recently pnwmom Oct 2014 #169
wow! marym625 Oct 2014 #171
Spouting off that the president has "no goals" is so transparently decietful cheapdate Oct 2014 #161
Wow, I never trusted Cenk flamingdem Oct 2014 #162
Arriviste millionaire buys McMansion, joins country club, backs Rand Paul . . . ucrdem Oct 2014 #165
Things I don't get MFrohike Oct 2014 #184
If you don't like WA Post, how do you feel about the Rolling Stone? pnwmom Oct 2014 #185
sigh MFrohike Oct 2014 #189
History will be very kind to Obama Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #188
I don't give a flying fishstick about Cenk and have never understood why anyone of moderate Number23 Oct 2014 #190
Wasn't that chorus interesting? It was almost like pnwmom Oct 2014 #191
you care enough so that you insult other DUers Enrique Oct 2014 #194
If you see an insult against a group of anonymous posters on a little seen web site in my post Number23 Oct 2014 #200
"Moderate" Hissyspit Oct 2014 #198
"Crank" Number23 Oct 2014 #201
"Freudian-ly slipped right into the heart of the matter". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #202
I couldn't have done that any better than if I planned it myself Number23 Oct 2014 #203
It was, indeed, a thing of beauty. Cenk = Crank. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #204
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