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77. I believe it. Wiki has a page on a lot of things. That does not mean that Moore or West are

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:02 PM

Oct 2014

left wing libertarians, though, or that DUers can identify a left-wing libertarian correctly. Nor, even assuming wiki is always correct about such things, does wiki list Moore as a left-wing libertarian.

I don't know about West, but I do know that Michael Moore gets invited to Democratic National Conventions. So, someone must think he belongs there. I also know that in 2012, he argued that Obama had to be the Democratic nominee. But, he criticized Obama recently, so now, according to some DUers, he's not a Democrat anymore?

I have seen too many instances on DU of famous people who, AFAIK, do not post on DU thrown under some ~~bus~~ label or another for criticizing Obama or some other Dem or the Democratic PTB or for saying their Party has gone too far right. All fact and source free.

Maybe I am over cautious, but I think I'll wait for more evidence before marking Moore's departure from the Democratic Party.

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Cenk Uygur a sell-out? 4 million little reasons [View all] pnwmom Oct 2014 OP

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #1

A Little Correction On Cenk's 4 Million Dollars From Roemer... Electric Monk Oct 2014 #154

Thanks. I didn't realize it had an option that could push it to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #159

Why should we act surprised when 'one of our own' goes over to the Dark Side? randome Oct 2014 #2

You're right, this was predictable. But people should now take anything he says pnwmom Oct 2014 #3

LOL ... Nice! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #28

Who went to the "Dark Side", Cenk? Dawgs Oct 2014 #21

if by your side you mean Republicans like Buddy VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #32

I'll take that as a no. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #90

This is a hit piece on Cenk. zeemike Oct 2014 #39

Yesterday someone posted Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #72

My guess would be no since.... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #152

Only until I checked back in. zeemike Oct 2014 #158

Cenk is not a politician and is not in charge of our lives and our country. zeemike Oct 2014 #157

And the $4 million doesn't get a say marym625 Oct 2014 #155

Don't you mean "the green side?" nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #170

You need to get out more. Buddy Roemer ran for President last time as a one issue candidate. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #4

I know how he ran. But he has many other positions that are completely opposed to progressive goals. pnwmom Oct 2014 #5

"� la carte" politics frazzled Oct 2014 #6

This OP smells like a hit-piece on Cenk RussBLib Oct 2014 #7

I suppose you think Citizens United is a good thing, then. randome Oct 2014 #9

Roehmer sure didn't think Citizens United was a good thing. merrily Oct 2014 #33

No, it shouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #34

A conversation maybe, but NOT propaganda, which is what that was. cascadiance Oct 2014 #124

it is. at least they have moved on from Greenwald for a minute. m-lekktor Oct 2014 #15

That's Because It Is... WillyT Oct 2014 #16

That's because it is. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #43

Hey, we can do this too. From the Daily Banter site: beerandjesus Oct 2014 #46

Did you complain about Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama yesterday? pnwmom Oct 2014 #70

Exactly! Andy823 Oct 2014 #97

Cenk's attack on Obama was a "hit piece," and some DUer posted it here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #73

Oh, that's okay, doncha know.. But, mustn't expose Cenk or that is attacked with the trite Cha Oct 2014 #150

Agreed. He knows money is what prevents mmonk Oct 2014 #82

Oh poor poor little Cenk.. leave him alone! He's the one spewing shit and he gets called on it. Cha Oct 2014 #148

Cenk Uygar gets in bed with Roehmer, sorta like Hamsher getting in bed with Boortz. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #8

Astute. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #11

Exactly, Moh.. the $$$$$$ they make from ODS is obscene. President Obama is a one man Cha Oct 2014 #151

Oh please... Hissyspit Oct 2014 #197

Excellent OP, pnwmom. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #10

"Or he's saying what Buddy Roemer wants him to say." G_j Oct 2014 #12

News to me. Good to know! Thank you. hedgehog Oct 2014 #13

Smells like a hit piece on Cenk to me also. I assume because he is not a BO cheerleader and calls it GoneFishin Oct 2014 #14

+1 beerandjesus Oct 2014 #18

+1 RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #26

What he wrote was a "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #75

There is a lot of smell coming from the hit pieces sheshe2 Oct 2014 #183

And the posters trashing him Puglover Oct 2014 #199

OK. How many people here actually watch TYT every day? Dawgs Oct 2014 #17

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #20

ditto willyT roguevalley Oct 2014 #29

But Cenk said something bad about Obama and must be neverforget Oct 2014 #109

I agree. Stand and Fight Oct 2014 #141

By your *logic,* OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #19

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #36

By your explanation, OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #48

Interesting that you would consider a mere response for me ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #53

Well, you cried "Stalker!" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #61

Done. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #63

Huzzah! OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #65

Aren't you late for recess? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #67

Can't deny me, always want to try me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #69

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #71

Admit it: You love me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #74

This is a flat out hit piece on TYT and Cenk tkmorris Oct 2014 #22

That emotionally or financially invested. merrily Oct 2014 #27

Cenk is the one who is financially invested. pnwmom Oct 2014 #192

What Cenk said about Obama having no goals was equally a hit piece. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #76

No it wasn't tkmorris Oct 2014 #94

No, it was a lie. He's extremely well informed and thus had to know that Obama pnwmom Oct 2014 #110

give it up RussBLib Oct 2014 #120

What did Cenk say that I'm objecting to? pnwmom Oct 2014 #125

I like Cenk Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #23

K&R BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #24

Yep, I watched Current TV's coverage of the 2009 election and... Spazito Oct 2014 #31

West and Moore are libertarians now? merrily Oct 2014 #35

Left wing libertarians ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #37

Is that what they are actually saying they are? Or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #41

As with much of what is discussed on message boards ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #49

Yes, and I also know my opinion of how some DUers reach their conclusions. merrily Oct 2014 #50

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56

Not really. Usually, I don't call people names just because they disagree with me about merrily Oct 2014 #98

Oh, really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #106

Excuse me, but how is centrist loyalist a name? Every merrily Oct 2014 #107

Nor is "Libertarian" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #115

Please tell me you can do better than that. Really, please. merrily Oct 2014 #119

Okay. (1SBM disengaging) eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #121

If a rose waddles like a duck, it's a Libertarian. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #54

Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #59

Idiotic whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #58

Such a cogent and convincing refutation! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60

Befitting your "cogent evaluation" of Moore and West n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #66

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #68

Moore is so libertarian he supports a government sponsored single payer health care system. Maven Oct 2014 #163

Not certain whether you are referring to me, or sarcasticly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #167

Yes--in the sense that to the anti's, "libertarian" is a synonym for "asshole" beerandjesus Oct 2014 #42

Did Moore and West actually say they were assholes, or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #45

Believe it or not BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #57

I believe it. Wiki has a page on a lot of things. That does not mean that Moore or West are merrily Oct 2014 #77

I think you're conflating social/political philosphy and party BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #88

It's not a matter of which party he is willing to swing with. merrily Oct 2014 #95

You were the one who made the initial comment about "party". BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #99

Yes, and you were the one who decided my comment meant where Moore is willing to hang out. merrily Oct 2014 #101

Here is my post BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #103

Yes, that was your post about six posts ago. I remember it. merrily Oct 2014 #105

Many of us here are left libertarians. We generally are just amused by the antics of the BOG in the Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #195

However there are those in the thread that deny such a thing as "left libertarian". nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #196

Cenk is trying to get money out of politics. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #25

Roemer was also a Democrat and ended as a candidate, knowing he'd lose, but fighting $$ in politics. merrily Oct 2014 #30

He left the Democrats in 1991 -- 23 years ago. He's a typical Rethug on most issues. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #78

Certainly not on his position on campaign finance. merrily Oct 2014 #83

Not on that single issue. But that doesn't make him a good ally overall. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #84

But at the sametime you're painting Cenk as a sellout on a single issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #93

Doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad business partner either. In truth, you don't know, one way or merrily Oct 2014 #96

Roemer's not a typical repug. elleng Oct 2014 #38

He is on most issues. pnwmom Oct 2014 #79

Not sure about that. elleng Oct 2014 #86

He also fought pollution. Whether that was purely political or not, I don't know. merrily Oct 2014 #104

So taking money to get money out of politics must corrupt one's politics? bluedigger Oct 2014 #40

If you take it from a right-winger and then go on to falsely accuse pnwmom Oct 2014 #87

Again I ask, if taking the money is the issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #122

It's the COMBINATION of taking money from the Rethugs pnwmom Oct 2014 #123

For example, I'm a liberal and I can agree with any GoPer that is against war. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #126

this is not PROMOTING Rand Paul RussBLib Oct 2014 #129

Meh, I think if selling out was a motivation for Cenk he'd have stayed on at MSMBS. He was told by Erose999 Oct 2014 #44

... merrily Oct 2014 #62

Not a bit surprised by this..after all he is a libertarian.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #47

Lousy sell-out. Anything for money, even dirty money, even if it's a few bucks. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #51

I never liked Uygur discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2014 #52

Thanks for this, I forgot to renew my TYT subscription. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2014 #55

Come on, Cenk just returned to his roots, as if he ever left 'em. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #64

Then I guess you must not like a lot of politicians. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #91

But neither of them were ever Republicans, now were they? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #108

Charlie Crist is a former Republican running as a Democrat neverforget Oct 2014 #117

You're damned straight, I'd vote for him. Cenk's returned to his "Republican" roots, & that's okay. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #118

How has returned to his Republican roots, or are you joking? Dawgs Oct 2014 #131

I know, Cenk has an awfully tough job. I mean, his job is MUCH harder than the President's. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #138

Ca-Ching~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #164

My dear Sheshe, nothing is more fitting than the clip you chose. $$$$$ Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #172

So true Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #175

Good Lord neverforget Oct 2014 #137

Ca-Ching!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #139

What's that supposed to mean? Cenk shouldn't get paid to do what he does? neverforget Oct 2014 #143

And there's the money quote. I know exactly where you're coming from now. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #144

you can't even answer a simple question. neverforget Oct 2014 #145

Cenk: "I am the One Percent dammit, and I get paid for spreadin' haterade!!!!" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #146

How old are you? 10? neverforget Oct 2014 #149

Yup. Can't wait to grow up & be rich like Uncle Cenk. I just hope I'm more discriminating. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #173

So you have no argument but you are envious of his success. neverforget Oct 2014 #174

Well... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #177

unless you call posting a picture of a kid in diapers sitting on a pile of money neverforget Oct 2014 #178

1%...1%....1%.....Occupy Cenk! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #180

You are cracking me up, Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #176

I know! Grade school debate is hilarious! neverforget Oct 2014 #181

Can you imagine the poo flingin' if "3rd way, corporatist, Muslin, Kenyan, used car salesman..." Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #182

Well ya! It sure would scare the heck out of me! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #186

She, you're killin' me. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #187

How often do you watch his show? Because I watch it every day. Dawgs Oct 2014 #130

and before he took Roemer's money, Cenk was all pro-Obama? Enrique Oct 2014 #80

Was Cenk's "critique" of Obama honest? The one where he ignored pnwmom Oct 2014 #81

Then criticize his critique instead of smearing him as a sell-out. deurbano Oct 2014 #89

But I don't think it's a coincidence that he took substantial money from Roemer in April pnwmom Oct 2014 #113

Cenk has criticized Obama for years, all the way back when he was on MSNBC. merrily Oct 2014 #128

Here's your problem: That's a SOTU speech tkmorris Oct 2014 #112

That isn't a problem. The SOTU speech is where a President is supposed to lay out his agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #116

Really? Every politician has goals, and Cenk knows this. Dawgs Oct 2014 #132

If Cenk knows this, then why did he accuse Obama of having no agenda? pnwmom Oct 2014 #133

Because he has no agenda if he doesn't fight for anything. Dawgs Oct 2014 #134

He's been signing executive orders to get around the Rethugs obstructionism. pnwmom Oct 2014 #135

It's called Andy823 Oct 2014 #140

he's fighting for TPP Enrique Oct 2014 #136

Question? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #179

While Cenk has been mostly useful . . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2014 #85

I'll never forget how Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #193

He sold his soul for big bucks. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #92

Why does anyone care what Cenk says? JaneyVee Oct 2014 #100

Excellent observation. Cenk swings with public opinion. "Hate Bush? So do I." Ca-Ching. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #114

Armstrong Williams is a good analogy. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #142

Don't watch or listen to Cenk. Then they won't give him money to BE a sellout. TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #102

Yesterday someone posted his attack on Obama here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #111

I shall lose a lot of sleep over this. progressoid Oct 2014 #127

Cenk has alway been a profiteering whiny pos.. Oh, and he stupidly blamed the WH for losing his job Cha Oct 2014 #147

I remember that is was blame Obama then... Historic NY Oct 2014 #153

Not a sell out marym625 Oct 2014 #156

It's not because he called Obama on something, it's because he falsely said Obama had no agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #160

Yes, I didn't realize that Cenk has an option to go up to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #166

What reason do you have marym625 Oct 2014 #168

Because of his false claim about Obama having no agenda, which was recently pnwmom Oct 2014 #169

wow! marym625 Oct 2014 #171

Spouting off that the president has "no goals" is so transparently decietful cheapdate Oct 2014 #161

Wow, I never trusted Cenk flamingdem Oct 2014 #162

Arriviste millionaire buys McMansion, joins country club, backs Rand Paul . . . ucrdem Oct 2014 #165

Things I don't get MFrohike Oct 2014 #184

If you don't like WA Post, how do you feel about the Rolling Stone? pnwmom Oct 2014 #185

sigh MFrohike Oct 2014 #189

History will be very kind to Obama Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #188

I don't give a flying fishstick about Cenk and have never understood why anyone of moderate Number23 Oct 2014 #190

Wasn't that chorus interesting? It was almost like pnwmom Oct 2014 #191

you care enough so that you insult other DUers Enrique Oct 2014 #194

If you see an insult against a group of anonymous posters on a little seen web site in my post Number23 Oct 2014 #200

"Moderate" Hissyspit Oct 2014 #198

"Crank" Number23 Oct 2014 #201

"Freudian-ly slipped right into the heart of the matter". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #202

I couldn't have done that any better than if I planned it myself Number23 Oct 2014 #203

It was, indeed, a thing of beauty. Cenk = Crank. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #204