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88. I think you're conflating social/political philosphy and party

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:49 PM

Oct 2014

by indicating " I do know that Michael Moore gets invited to Democratic National Conventions". I.e., you miss the point.

The 2 largest so-called "national" parties here in the U.S. are essentially conglomerates of many different philosophies, with those people willing to "swing" with one party or the other... In essence, while other countries formalize these different philosophies into distinct parties that basically (by choice or necessity) come together (in different combinations) to form a "majority" coalition for that particular government, here, the same things happen but in not so formalized a fashion, and mainly to gain a majority of votes.

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Cenk Uygur a sell-out? 4 million little reasons [View all] pnwmom Oct 2014 OP

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #1

A Little Correction On Cenk's 4 Million Dollars From Roemer... Electric Monk Oct 2014 #154

Thanks. I didn't realize it had an option that could push it to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #159

Why should we act surprised when 'one of our own' goes over to the Dark Side? randome Oct 2014 #2

You're right, this was predictable. But people should now take anything he says pnwmom Oct 2014 #3

LOL ... Nice! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #28

Who went to the "Dark Side", Cenk? Dawgs Oct 2014 #21

if by your side you mean Republicans like Buddy VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #32

I'll take that as a no. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #90

This is a hit piece on Cenk. zeemike Oct 2014 #39

Yesterday someone posted Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #72

My guess would be no since.... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #152

Only until I checked back in. zeemike Oct 2014 #158

Cenk is not a politician and is not in charge of our lives and our country. zeemike Oct 2014 #157

And the $4 million doesn't get a say marym625 Oct 2014 #155

Don't you mean "the green side?" nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #170

You need to get out more. Buddy Roemer ran for President last time as a one issue candidate. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #4

I know how he ran. But he has many other positions that are completely opposed to progressive goals. pnwmom Oct 2014 #5

"à la carte" politics frazzled Oct 2014 #6

This OP smells like a hit-piece on Cenk RussBLib Oct 2014 #7

I suppose you think Citizens United is a good thing, then. randome Oct 2014 #9

Roehmer sure didn't think Citizens United was a good thing. merrily Oct 2014 #33

No, it shouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #34

A conversation maybe, but NOT propaganda, which is what that was. cascadiance Oct 2014 #124

it is. at least they have moved on from Greenwald for a minute. m-lekktor Oct 2014 #15

That's Because It Is... WillyT Oct 2014 #16

That's because it is. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #43

Hey, we can do this too. From the Daily Banter site: beerandjesus Oct 2014 #46

Did you complain about Cenk's "hit piece" on Obama yesterday? pnwmom Oct 2014 #70

Exactly! Andy823 Oct 2014 #97

Cenk's attack on Obama was a "hit piece," and some DUer posted it here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #73

Oh, that's okay, doncha know.. But, mustn't expose Cenk or that is attacked with the trite Cha Oct 2014 #150

Agreed. He knows money is what prevents mmonk Oct 2014 #82

Oh poor poor little Cenk.. leave him alone! He's the one spewing shit and he gets called on it. Cha Oct 2014 #148

Cenk Uygar gets in bed with Roehmer, sorta like Hamsher getting in bed with Boortz. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #8

Astute. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #11

Exactly, Moh.. the $$$$$$ they make from ODS is obscene. President Obama is a one man Cha Oct 2014 #151

Oh please... Hissyspit Oct 2014 #197

Excellent OP, pnwmom. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #10

"Or he's saying what Buddy Roemer wants him to say." G_j Oct 2014 #12

News to me. Good to know! Thank you. hedgehog Oct 2014 #13

Smells like a hit piece on Cenk to me also. I assume because he is not a BO cheerleader and calls it GoneFishin Oct 2014 #14

+1 beerandjesus Oct 2014 #18

+1 RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #26

What he wrote was a "hit piece" on Obama, falsely claiming pnwmom Oct 2014 #75

There is a lot of smell coming from the hit pieces sheshe2 Oct 2014 #183

And the posters trashing him Puglover Oct 2014 #199

OK. How many people here actually watch TYT every day? Dawgs Oct 2014 #17

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #20

ditto willyT roguevalley Oct 2014 #29

But Cenk said something bad about Obama and must be neverforget Oct 2014 #109

I agree. Stand and Fight Oct 2014 #141

By your *logic,* OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #19

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #36

By your explanation, OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #48

Interesting that you would consider a mere response for me ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #53

Well, you cried "Stalker!" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #61

Done. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #63

Huzzah! OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #65

Aren't you late for recess? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #67

Can't deny me, always want to try me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #69

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #71

Admit it: You love me. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #74

This is a flat out hit piece on TYT and Cenk tkmorris Oct 2014 #22

That emotionally or financially invested. merrily Oct 2014 #27

Cenk is the one who is financially invested. pnwmom Oct 2014 #192

What Cenk said about Obama having no goals was equally a hit piece. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #76

No it wasn't tkmorris Oct 2014 #94

No, it was a lie. He's extremely well informed and thus had to know that Obama pnwmom Oct 2014 #110

give it up RussBLib Oct 2014 #120

What did Cenk say that I'm objecting to? pnwmom Oct 2014 #125

I like Cenk Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #23

K&R BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #24

Yep, I watched Current TV's coverage of the 2009 election and... Spazito Oct 2014 #31

West and Moore are libertarians now? merrily Oct 2014 #35

Left wing libertarians ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #37

Is that what they are actually saying they are? Or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #41

As with much of what is discussed on message boards ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #49

Yes, and I also know my opinion of how some DUers reach their conclusions. merrily Oct 2014 #50

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56

Not really. Usually, I don't call people names just because they disagree with me about merrily Oct 2014 #98

Oh, really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #106

Excuse me, but how is centrist loyalist a name? Every merrily Oct 2014 #107

Nor is "Libertarian" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #115

Please tell me you can do better than that. Really, please. merrily Oct 2014 #119

Okay. (1SBM disengaging) eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #121

If a rose waddles like a duck, it's a Libertarian. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #54

Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #59

Idiotic whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #58

Such a cogent and convincing refutation! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60

Befitting your "cogent evaluation" of Moore and West n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #66

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #68

Moore is so libertarian he supports a government sponsored single payer health care system. Maven Oct 2014 #163

Not certain whether you are referring to me, or sarcasticly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #167

Yes--in the sense that to the anti's, "libertarian" is a synonym for "asshole" beerandjesus Oct 2014 #42

Did Moore and West actually say they were assholes, or is that the assessment of some DUers? merrily Oct 2014 #45

Believe it or not BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #57

I believe it. Wiki has a page on a lot of things. That does not mean that Moore or West are merrily Oct 2014 #77

I think you're conflating social/political philosphy and party BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #88

It's not a matter of which party he is willing to swing with. merrily Oct 2014 #95

You were the one who made the initial comment about "party". BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #99

Yes, and you were the one who decided my comment meant where Moore is willing to hang out. merrily Oct 2014 #101

Here is my post BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #103

Yes, that was your post about six posts ago. I remember it. merrily Oct 2014 #105

Many of us here are left libertarians. We generally are just amused by the antics of the BOG in the Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #195

However there are those in the thread that deny such a thing as "left libertarian". nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #196

Cenk is trying to get money out of politics. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #25

Roemer was also a Democrat and ended as a candidate, knowing he'd lose, but fighting $$ in politics. merrily Oct 2014 #30

He left the Democrats in 1991 -- 23 years ago. He's a typical Rethug on most issues. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #78

Certainly not on his position on campaign finance. merrily Oct 2014 #83

Not on that single issue. But that doesn't make him a good ally overall. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #84

But at the sametime you're painting Cenk as a sellout on a single issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #93

Doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad business partner either. In truth, you don't know, one way or merrily Oct 2014 #96

Roemer's not a typical repug. elleng Oct 2014 #38

He is on most issues. pnwmom Oct 2014 #79

Not sure about that. elleng Oct 2014 #86

He also fought pollution. Whether that was purely political or not, I don't know. merrily Oct 2014 #104

So taking money to get money out of politics must corrupt one's politics? bluedigger Oct 2014 #40

If you take it from a right-winger and then go on to falsely accuse pnwmom Oct 2014 #87

Again I ask, if taking the money is the issue. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #122

It's the COMBINATION of taking money from the Rethugs pnwmom Oct 2014 #123

For example, I'm a liberal and I can agree with any GoPer that is against war. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #126

this is not PROMOTING Rand Paul RussBLib Oct 2014 #129

Meh, I think if selling out was a motivation for Cenk he'd have stayed on at MSMBS. He was told by Erose999 Oct 2014 #44

... merrily Oct 2014 #62

Not a bit surprised by this..after all he is a libertarian.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #47

Lousy sell-out. Anything for money, even dirty money, even if it's a few bucks. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #51

I never liked Uygur discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2014 #52

Thanks for this, I forgot to renew my TYT subscription. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2014 #55

Come on, Cenk just returned to his roots, as if he ever left 'em. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #64

Then I guess you must not like a lot of politicians. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #91

But neither of them were ever Republicans, now were they? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #108

Charlie Crist is a former Republican running as a Democrat neverforget Oct 2014 #117

You're damned straight, I'd vote for him. Cenk's returned to his "Republican" roots, & that's okay. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #118

How has returned to his Republican roots, or are you joking? Dawgs Oct 2014 #131

I know, Cenk has an awfully tough job. I mean, his job is MUCH harder than the President's. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #138

Ca-Ching~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #164

My dear Sheshe, nothing is more fitting than the clip you chose. $$$$$ Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #172

So true Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #175

Good Lord neverforget Oct 2014 #137

Ca-Ching!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #139

What's that supposed to mean? Cenk shouldn't get paid to do what he does? neverforget Oct 2014 #143

And there's the money quote. I know exactly where you're coming from now. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #144

you can't even answer a simple question. neverforget Oct 2014 #145

Cenk: "I am the One Percent dammit, and I get paid for spreadin' haterade!!!!" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #146

How old are you? 10? neverforget Oct 2014 #149

Yup. Can't wait to grow up & be rich like Uncle Cenk. I just hope I'm more discriminating. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #173

So you have no argument but you are envious of his success. neverforget Oct 2014 #174

Well... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #177

unless you call posting a picture of a kid in diapers sitting on a pile of money neverforget Oct 2014 #178

1%...1%....1%.....Occupy Cenk! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #180

You are cracking me up, Tarheel! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #176

I know! Grade school debate is hilarious! neverforget Oct 2014 #181

Can you imagine the poo flingin' if "3rd way, corporatist, Muslin, Kenyan, used car salesman..." Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #182

Well ya! It sure would scare the heck out of me! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #186

She, you're killin' me. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #187

How often do you watch his show? Because I watch it every day. Dawgs Oct 2014 #130

and before he took Roemer's money, Cenk was all pro-Obama? Enrique Oct 2014 #80

Was Cenk's "critique" of Obama honest? The one where he ignored pnwmom Oct 2014 #81

Then criticize his critique instead of smearing him as a sell-out. deurbano Oct 2014 #89

But I don't think it's a coincidence that he took substantial money from Roemer in April pnwmom Oct 2014 #113

Cenk has criticized Obama for years, all the way back when he was on MSNBC. merrily Oct 2014 #128

Here's your problem: That's a SOTU speech tkmorris Oct 2014 #112

That isn't a problem. The SOTU speech is where a President is supposed to lay out his agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #116

Really? Every politician has goals, and Cenk knows this. Dawgs Oct 2014 #132

If Cenk knows this, then why did he accuse Obama of having no agenda? pnwmom Oct 2014 #133

Because he has no agenda if he doesn't fight for anything. Dawgs Oct 2014 #134

He's been signing executive orders to get around the Rethugs obstructionism. pnwmom Oct 2014 #135

It's called Andy823 Oct 2014 #140

he's fighting for TPP Enrique Oct 2014 #136

Question? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #179

While Cenk has been mostly useful . . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2014 #85

I'll never forget how Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #193

He sold his soul for big bucks. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #92

Why does anyone care what Cenk says? JaneyVee Oct 2014 #100

Excellent observation. Cenk swings with public opinion. "Hate Bush? So do I." Ca-Ching. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #114

Armstrong Williams is a good analogy. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #142

Don't watch or listen to Cenk. Then they won't give him money to BE a sellout. TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #102

Yesterday someone posted his attack on Obama here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #111

I shall lose a lot of sleep over this. progressoid Oct 2014 #127

Cenk has alway been a profiteering whiny pos.. Oh, and he stupidly blamed the WH for losing his job Cha Oct 2014 #147

I remember that is was blame Obama then... Historic NY Oct 2014 #153

Not a sell out marym625 Oct 2014 #156

It's not because he called Obama on something, it's because he falsely said Obama had no agenda. pnwmom Oct 2014 #160

Yes, I didn't realize that Cenk has an option to go up to $8 million. pnwmom Oct 2014 #166

What reason do you have marym625 Oct 2014 #168

Because of his false claim about Obama having no agenda, which was recently pnwmom Oct 2014 #169

wow! marym625 Oct 2014 #171

Spouting off that the president has "no goals" is so transparently decietful cheapdate Oct 2014 #161

Wow, I never trusted Cenk flamingdem Oct 2014 #162

Arriviste millionaire buys McMansion, joins country club, backs Rand Paul . . . ucrdem Oct 2014 #165

Things I don't get MFrohike Oct 2014 #184

If you don't like WA Post, how do you feel about the Rolling Stone? pnwmom Oct 2014 #185

sigh MFrohike Oct 2014 #189

History will be very kind to Obama Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #188

I don't give a flying fishstick about Cenk and have never understood why anyone of moderate Number23 Oct 2014 #190

Wasn't that chorus interesting? It was almost like pnwmom Oct 2014 #191

you care enough so that you insult other DUers Enrique Oct 2014 #194

If you see an insult against a group of anonymous posters on a little seen web site in my post Number23 Oct 2014 #200

"Moderate" Hissyspit Oct 2014 #198

"Crank" Number23 Oct 2014 #201

"Freudian-ly slipped right into the heart of the matter". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #202

I couldn't have done that any better than if I planned it myself Number23 Oct 2014 #203

It was, indeed, a thing of beauty. Cenk = Crank. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #204