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JimDandy

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53. Court have ruled these 'copyrighted' codes

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:53 PM

Oct 2014

are public property as long as they are incorporated into the municipal code and titled within a city's code, as that city's code instead of with the code council's title. The council's code comments can't be included though, because the courts have ruled that they are an interpretation of the code and therefore a private work product. And that is maddening because cities, of course, look to those comments to enforce the code.

My muncipality tried to sell the international code book to me saying it wasn't online (it was). They also didn't have it in the local library, which was a requirement for all the codes that are included by reference in the city's municipal ccode. You can bet I insisted that a copy get in the library and they then complied.

It's a lot of work to keep just our cities doing what they are required to do, let alone county, state and national governments.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] mopinko Oct 2014 OP

There are a great many problems with building codes and their enforcement. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #1

Did she get the necessary permits and other things needed yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #2

If, in your world, you need the permission of the local government to plant a tomato in your yard... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #3

I could care less yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #7

I accept that the expression of your opinion is factual. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #10

your calling what she did "planting a tomato" is the opposite of factual CreekDog Oct 2014 #96

Have I triggered the fan club notification system? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #98

You don't know Chicago. former9thward Oct 2014 #13

Why is it all blue areas are screwing with residence? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #18

There has not been a Republican in Chicago in decades. former9thward Oct 2014 #21

Corruption -- one of thy many names is truedelphi Oct 2014 #25

Did you see this dollar amount to the city? Hestia Oct 2014 #59

Planting a tomato in your back yard is one thing. SheilaT Oct 2014 #16

you're saying she just planted a tomato? CreekDog Oct 2014 #95

I think she shouldn't need "necessary permits and other things" for a garden. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #97

Oh I doubt people will read the whole article, I'm halfway down and hit this tidbit snooper2 Oct 2014 #6

I admit, "truck as chicken coop" is probably not good community relations in an urban setting. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #12

Chicago harbors rats. former9thward Oct 2014 #14

now it is a lot of plants growing around debris, doesn't sound like the city is asking for much snooper2 Oct 2014 #15

In Chicago nothing is easy. former9thward Oct 2014 #17

Excellent point. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #56

All this is sad. truedelphi Oct 2014 #27

It takes quite a while for logs or two x fours or any lumber to decompose into compostable material Autumn Oct 2014 #45

That's what our nurseries down here look like. They are kinda just a tent over some property Hestia Oct 2014 #64

For some reason I couldn't get to the back of it on Google Earth. Autumn Oct 2014 #65

And some of those codes are done to line a city's pockets with permitting cash and RKP5637 Oct 2014 #5

Did you know that the building code itself is copyright protected? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #8

I never cease to be amazed. So much is sooooo repressive. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #11

Court have ruled these 'copyrighted' codes JimDandy Oct 2014 #53

Yeah, especially when some fat cat developer wants the lot Warpy Oct 2014 #77

I'm all for urban farms. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #4

thing is its not only not against code, we are supposed to be the greenest city in the country. mopinko Oct 2014 #9

So fix the issues and be done with it. I read the article and it can all be dealt with KittyWampus Oct 2014 #30

That's what I'm also thinking is what might have brought the city down on her. n/t JimDandy Oct 2014 #61

fine, you had your say. mopinko Oct 2014 #102

does *any* of the chicken crap you apply to your land end up in city sewers? CreekDog Oct 2014 #99

Me too, but this isn't one. More like a dump. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #67

Love the urban farming. So much better than a weed filled empty lot, Autumn Oct 2014 #19

no, the truck is a fantastic coop. mopinko Oct 2014 #23

I have coyotes, skunks, racoons, fox, snakes, hawks and falcons. Autumn Oct 2014 #24

you can't smell my coop, either. mopinko Oct 2014 #37

I'm sure it is well built, but your city objects to it and calles it an abandoned vcehicle. Autumn Oct 2014 #39

it is not "junk" mopinko Oct 2014 #49

Good luck with your fight and keep us posted. Autumn Oct 2014 #50

did you properly drain all fluids from the truck and dispose of them legally? CreekDog Oct 2014 #100

Claim the truck is a person. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #57

hey. i think i will try that. mopinko Oct 2014 #74

Get a "coupe" instead of a sedan. Problem solved. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #86

Several sympathetic DU'ers have suggested getting rid of the pick-up eyesore and building KittyWampus Oct 2014 #29

since none of you have seen it, i will just ignore that advice. mopinko Oct 2014 #36

i've seen photos on her farm FB page shireen Oct 2014 #62

you've not seen that chicken coop shireen Oct 2014 #58

I haven't seen the FB page so I have no idea what the coop is like. Just that the city objects to it Autumn Oct 2014 #71

well then maybe you should reserve judgement. mopinko Oct 2014 #81

You posted the article and there's a picture of it at the link Autumn Oct 2014 #85

I saw the page, and the article. I think what you are doing is important. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #93

In the article, it claims she could not get a "farm" exemption ... surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #20

no no. it's not an exemption. mopinko Oct 2014 #22

It would seem like the zoning change would be a good place to start ... surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #31

i have a lawyer, and what are your credentials to decide what is proper? mopinko Oct 2014 #35

I didn't intend to offend you, I'm sorry. surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #41

it isnt a vehicle. mopinko Oct 2014 #43

You've convinced me ... surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #52

the outpouring from other gardeners and farmers tells me mopinko Oct 2014 #82

did you fully drain all the oil and other vehicle fluids? CreekDog Oct 2014 #73

They are not nuts, they are fruits jberryhill Oct 2014 #26

As if someone with your surname would know. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #33

There is some serious stupid on the thread you link to. Mo, I hope you can make some changes KittyWampus Oct 2014 #28

i'm not changing fucking anything. mopinko Oct 2014 #38

Farming is dirty Alittleliberal Oct 2014 #32

thank you. mopinko Oct 2014 #34

And that's one reason why farming has been zoned out of high population density areas. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #40

except that those are lies. there is no odor. there is no debris. mopinko Oct 2014 #46

If it's lies, it should be easy enough to get rid of the code violations. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #54

This sounds like harassment to the tune of hundreds and thousands of dollars. Unfortunately Hestia Oct 2014 #69

the citations ranged from nit picking to just flat out lies. mopinko Oct 2014 #72

Depends on how the city defines junk car... Lancero Oct 2014 #84

its a perfectly operable chicken coop. mopinko Oct 2014 #88

where does runoff from your property go? CreekDog Oct 2014 #101

and the city's official policy is to encourage farming and gardening. mopinko Oct 2014 #51

So why haven't you changed the zoning to farming? Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #55

it comes with its own hassles. mopinko Oct 2014 #80

Fight the Good Fight. H2O Man Oct 2014 #42

thank you. mopinko Oct 2014 #47

Take this viral KamaAina Oct 2014 #44

i hope so. mopinko Oct 2014 #48

Sorry you're having trouble with the city. MineralMan Oct 2014 #60

i've been following her farm on FB shireen Oct 2014 #68

It only takes one neighbor who doesn't like it. MineralMan Oct 2014 #70

so i should let a few whiners run my life? mopinko Oct 2014 #78

I didn't say that in any way. MineralMan Oct 2014 #83

what you are saying is full of supposition that does not happen to be true. mopinko Oct 2014 #92

Question about the truck: Jamastiene Oct 2014 #63

not goin nowhere. period. mopinko Oct 2014 #89

This lady is not an "urban farmer" yellowcanine Oct 2014 #66

i dont sell anything because we are not that far along in the process. mopinko Oct 2014 #75

picture, please. notrightatall Oct 2014 #76

follow my sig link. mopinko Oct 2014 #79

You need Black Jesus Tsiyu Oct 2014 #87

I am not a farmer but... Phentex Oct 2014 #90

the house stuff was on the list. mopinko Oct 2014 #91

There are a ton of urban farms near me. They're great. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #94

zero were in my rental property. mopinko Oct 2014 #103

Is this the tenant whose child you wanted to steal? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #104

im going to delete this thread. mopinko Oct 2014 #105