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bobclark86

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82. I wonder...

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:31 PM

Oct 2014

Just how many nonrenewable resources it took to build the computer you are using to post ... And the resources that do get reused, I wonder how much of it will happen through massive piles of burning motherboards picked apart by young children in developing nations. I won't even go into the power generation you use to run your computer -- unless you live near a dam, it's probably produced primarily from fossil fuels, and even if you do live near a dam, there is some fossil power to fill the need. How about that vehicle that transports you around? Even buses need gas and rape the rain forest for rubber. Now, how about the peasants in the Andes who can't afford their basic staple quinoa because it's all being sold by Whole Foods to vegans and the price has increased by an order of magnitude, so now the natives are all eating ramen noodles and have seen malnutrition rates spike?

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The long, LONG, LONGER list of VEGAN-CAUSED health ailments, diseases, and deaths.. [View all] Veganhealedme Oct 2014 OP

Three very important words for you: Sample. Of. One. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #1

Lots of McDougallers would challenge your comment. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #17

Damn skimpy! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #24

oh God. That quack. I know something about him. mainer Oct 2014 #61

Be honest, who's really the quack, Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #69

Or two Applan Oct 2014 #92

Everything in moderation. longship Oct 2014 #2

I try to not go overboard with the moderation. Badda bing! JEB Oct 2014 #179

Bill Clinton is a vegan. Except when he isn't. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #3

Try to put yourself in the shoes of a vegan for a moment.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #21

I'm vegan, except for when I'm not. And make no bones about it. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #30

I know, that is one of my favorite things. cwydro Oct 2014 #131

I bet Bill is all "yes, I'm a vegan" when Chelsea is around, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #135

I love the way the article accuses him of "lying" and then QUOTES him "admitting." MADem Oct 2014 #152

I am going to assume you were type 2 diabetic Egnever Oct 2014 #4

I was diagnosed Type-2 when I was 33. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #62

vegan doesn't necessarily = low-carb noiretextatique Oct 2014 #94

Low carb isn't absolutely necessary as long as it's low simple sugar Warpy Oct 2014 #103

yes...i know, since i have type 2 noiretextatique Oct 2014 #136

Just get a good book that covers nutrition Warpy Oct 2014 #140

It pretty much eliminates high glycemic load carbs Egnever Oct 2014 #104

my last A1C was 5.5 noiretextatique Oct 2014 #137

No symptoms and reversal are not the same thing Egnever Oct 2014 #138

thanks...got it eom noiretextatique Oct 2014 #174

There is no "cure" for a genetic disease eridani Oct 2014 #145

fine...asymptomatic, anyone? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #175

As good a term as any. You can overcome a genetic defect by avoiding-- eridani Oct 2014 #182

i am trying noiretextatique Oct 2014 #187

You can't reverse Type 2 Diabetes kdmorris Oct 2014 #157

Exactly. Marr Oct 2014 #184

um, what? Leafy greens can kill you just the same justabob Oct 2014 #5

Answer: Kitchen vinegar or food grade hydrogen peroxide kills pathogens. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #25

E coli is killed by UV light Warpy Oct 2014 #109

wasn't that because they were contaminated with animal shit? Applan Oct 2014 #88

I have quite a few Vegetarian friends.. not full vegan DontTreadOnMe Oct 2014 #6

Once you cut out meat, you satisfy your hunger with with carbs. mainer Oct 2014 #19

Cheese can be like poison if overconsumed.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #27

Uhm you're going to need to back up the "cheese is like poison" thing. tridim Oct 2014 #164

The OP is about veganism not vegetarianism mucifer Oct 2014 #156

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Good for you, not good for the environment. But hey! Mmmmmm�. industrial meat. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #31

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I wonder... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #82

OH god. yes. What you just said. nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #130

I'd like to add that I'm 66, a happy and enthusiastic SheilaT Oct 2014 #8

I am 75 years old and happy and healthy. RebelOne Oct 2014 #10

Can you explain the rising rates of 10 year old children.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #34

my guess would be a sedentary lifestyle backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #42

Sedentary lifestyle kicks one leg out from under a healthy body.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #46

we will have to agree to disagree backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #52

You might want to view a few documentaries chervilant Oct 2014 #67

again...we will have to agree to disagree backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #72

According to which scientific studies? What source are you quoting? chervilant Oct 2014 #74

why do I need studies?you yourself impeached your own argument backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #79

What?!? chervilant Oct 2014 #93

we need someone to do a study then backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #100

I PROMISE you that your words are not true chervilant Oct 2014 #110

I know exactly where you belong... chervilant Oct 2014 #132

I've been reading through all the posts here and I have to say, it's going to be really HARD napi21 Oct 2014 #133

Spoken like someone that's done their research! +1000. nt Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #73

In my experience, those who react most negatively about Veganism, chervilant Oct 2014 #99

Also raw for thirty is a good doc. I have sent it to relatives but they say you don't have diabetes lunasun Oct 2014 #108

BTW, Chervilant congrats! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #117

Why do I have to explain all that? SheilaT Oct 2014 #116

I am no defender of meat or meat eating (I haven't eaten red meat for decades), but Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #178

Statins save lives and there are more nitrates in a bunch of celery Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #188

Paternal G-Grandma - 102, Missouri pig farmer's daughter. Died of Pneumonia. haele Oct 2014 #146

Good for you. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #9

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2014 #105

Really? Restricted diet? Most of the meat eaters I know, and I live in a foodie town, eat far less Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #123

restricted as in denying yourself entire food groups Skittles Oct 2014 #168

Good for you leftynyc Oct 2014 #11

Not many meat eaters live that long.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #36

Tiny percentage? Link please. n/t tammywammy Oct 2014 #48

Do you have a link to support that assertion? n/t zappaman Oct 2014 #51

My grandfather just turned 90 tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #60

link please nt backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #75

I think you need to back that up with facts. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #111

Let's see leftynyc Oct 2014 #150

Lots and lots of BS data coming from you. tridim Oct 2014 #165

My carnivorous dad lived to be 92. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #83

Agree leftynyc Oct 2014 #151

k&r Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #12

Great for you. I do experiment with foods to find which ones trigger my inflamation NightWatcher Oct 2014 #13

Bison is mostly free range and nearly fat-free.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #41

A few years ago, I went from SAD to lacto veg, but jumped from veg to raw. I never felt better, but freshwest Oct 2014 #144

Are you really claiming that animal fat causes inflammation? tridim Oct 2014 #166

Vegan makes me anemic, tired, and moody. closeupready Oct 2014 #14

44yrs here and perfect labs every year. Meat is tasty. ileus Oct 2014 #15

I'm glad you healed yourself by going vegan. SalviaBlue Oct 2014 #16

exhibit A for an earlier thread methinks.... whatthehey Oct 2014 #18

New book: Americans cut out fat from their diets.... and got fat because of it. mainer Oct 2014 #20

I eat plenty of fat in my vegan diet.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #23

Wasn't the problem that they substituted carbs and sugars, though? freshwest Oct 2014 #148

Right. But as book states, meat and fat are satisfying mainer Oct 2014 #162

Right. There has to be something to end that hunger, I've noticed it's a process freshwest Oct 2014 #167

And this is why "people hate vegans." The_Commonist Oct 2014 #22

Glad to be hated.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #45

Is there some reason you are behaving so rudely? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #49

Who brought up the hateful comment first? Me or the person I replied to? Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #55

Your entire post was picking a fight from the very beginning. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #65

I am going to Outback tonight and can't wait yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #57

Misleading headline. Implies being vegan causes issues still_one Oct 2014 #26

Here's what a 70+ yr old Vegan looks like nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #28

Your snarky FACTS are clouding the debate! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #29

Here's what a self described Vegan hater looks like at 47 nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #143

Here's what a 74 year old meat eater looks like zappaman Oct 2014 #32

wow.. grandma is looking good! DontTreadOnMe Oct 2014 #33

Note to self: Eat more meat! Uben Oct 2014 #40

Question, are you on any medications? nt Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #50

Just one Uben Oct 2014 #113

How much plastic surgery went into that> (nt) malokvale77 Oct 2014 #90

Yes, my question also. n/t RebelOne Oct 2014 #181

That's after a few facelifts Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #97

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I'm sure genetics are involved, too. GoCubsGo Oct 2014 #171

That's not a very large sample size phil89 Oct 2014 #39

Vegans make up about 1.5% of the population.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #66

Yes, as a matter of fact, this woman looks positively ancient compared to my Ecumenist Oct 2014 #161

Yup, my Mom - except for the salon and spa treatments the above lady obviously gets. Genetics. haele Oct 2014 #173

my great grandfather sabbat hunter Oct 2014 #35

It's not for everyone. I have a friend who was made sick and weak by veganism. Brickbat Oct 2014 #38

livingwagenow...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #43

Good work. msanthrope Oct 2014 #58

And Union Yes before that... SidDithers Oct 2014 #80

Hey, I've seen that one. Didn't finish it though. freshwest Oct 2014 #149

I'm 53. I eat meat. Lots of it. Feeling fine here. End of story. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #44

I'm 51. I eat meat too. zappaman Oct 2014 #53

Beef short ribs last night. My Wife cooked 'em. Melt in your mouth. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #106

That sounds awesome! zappaman Oct 2014 #115

Damn! Closest In & Out is 40 miles from here. Jealous. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #120

Are you on any rx meds? Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #54

No meds. Horrendous rotator cuff though; it's getting operated on in November. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #102

I support your decision to eat how you choose. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #47

SINNERS! SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD! Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #56

Exactly. FSogol Oct 2014 #59

Let the rabbits wear glasses! opiate69 Oct 2014 #63

+1 HuckleB Oct 2014 #81

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #89

Well just stand back.. I have a vegan story and it will get some peoples goat Peacetrain Oct 2014 #64

Well, old friend, we are in the process of going vegan rurallib Oct 2014 #70

That was a good one for me, too. chervilant Oct 2014 #87

Its a real process that is for sure Peacetrain Oct 2014 #121

Wow...the things one can learn at the library! n/t zappaman Oct 2014 #68

Oh no u did nt! Rex Oct 2014 #76

. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #91

It's not LG... SidDithers Oct 2014 #96

I hope you take Zinc ssupplements. eom MohRokTah Oct 2014 #71

I eat pumkin seeds, high in zinc.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #84

No thanks. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #85

I haven't liked the taste of meat since I was a child HockeyMom Oct 2014 #77

I'm 55 and, similarly, I never liked the taste of meat, so when I went vegetarian, I learned what I Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #125

There is a point where, when meat is cooking, and the fat is being rendered off it, that it makes Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #177

Me too. I never liked meat (well, red meat). Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #176

Eat what you want to. No one else cares. mainer Oct 2014 #78

My view, a nation that eats meat has unaffordable healthcare.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #86

lol...meat eaters get a little defensive on DU demwing Oct 2014 #95

One time I had a grazer criticize my purchases at the grocery checkout. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #98

I knew you would get flamed for this... malokvale77 Oct 2014 #101

Welcome to DU! LiberalElite Oct 2014 #107

I fail to understand what it is that makes you.. 99Forever Oct 2014 #112

I'm a 44 year old vegan. Codeine Oct 2014 #114

Youre wasting your time bringing this here... bunnies Oct 2014 #118

uh huh Skittles Oct 2014 #170

Good on you Vegan. I have been trying to go vegan, old habits are dying hard here. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #119

How nice for you Generic Brad Oct 2014 #122

Would you tell me what you eat during a typical week? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #126

Vegan is very high carbs which leads to blood sugar spikes. BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #128

Vegetarians longest lived in US. ErikJ Oct 2014 #127

How do you know it's because they don't smoke or drink? mainer Oct 2014 #163

Right. ErikJ Oct 2014 #172

I have a co worker who is a fanatic vegan Danmel Oct 2014 #129

Actually, there is one...peripheral neuropathy... Barack_America Oct 2014 #134

I have that...in all my extremities Marrah_G Oct 2014 #147

I Eat Chicken Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #139

When I have tried vegan or vegetarian diets, Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #141

Our town's leading TV weatherman is a vegan. JEFF9K Oct 2014 #142

Vegans are deficient in several important nutrients, including Creatine and B12. Marr Oct 2014 #153

"Wanna compare the health of a vegan to that of a meat eater? " Inkfreak Oct 2014 #154

This is such a preachy stereotype, I feel like I'm being trolled... Oktober Oct 2014 #155

As the first response said... sample of one kdmorris Oct 2014 #158

I'm quoting the author Isaac Bashevis Singer mucifer Oct 2014 #159

Well this is nonsense. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #160

the OP thinks only vegan means no meds Skittles Oct 2014 #169

Shhh, stop being sensible shenmue Oct 2014 #183

Look, eat what you want. But some of your claims in this thread are BS. bigwillq Oct 2014 #180

Thank you. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #185

Everyone is different AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #186