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freshwest

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144. A few years ago, I went from SAD to lacto veg, but jumped from veg to raw. I never felt better, but
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:31 AM
Oct 2014
developed some severe health problems. Probably too much enthusiasm.

I do not like vegan food that mimics meat, dairy, etc. When some vegs tell me they want the taste or texture of meat, etc., and come up with all these complex, processed things to eat, I figure they should stop romancing the meat and get it over with. But I say nothing, it's not my place.

I had severe deficiencies that caused kidney and hair problems. But all else seemed fine - but really, it wasn't fine. A number of things happened all at once, not all about diet, and I went back to SAD.

Now I am transitioning off of it, but it's very hard. I also have no support on this issue and am less well than I was when I started. So I will not be as severe in whatever I do.

I don't want to be a lacto veg either, it doesn't agree with me, but I am using a lot of fermented diary right now for probiotics. I just hate the stickiness of dairy in my system.

As far as anyone at any time changing their diet, it's hard. There is a lot of emotional and social memories associated with food. I never tell anyone what to eat, 'preach,' or whatever. Because it's like insulting their family, their lifestyle, etc.

I am going to go back to my detox regiment, which is slightly different than what you suggest in this post here, which I have saved for ideas.

I used raw ginger, raw garlic, grapefruit and red onions, all juiced. It definitely will make one's eyes water when juicing. It is an acquired taste, after a while it's no big deal. It hits the mouth which says 'what are you doing' the first few times, but settles in the stomach very well.

It has to be portioned out because if one takes too much it has too strong a reaction.

For a long time smoothies were breakfast, with pea protein, fruit, vegetables, kelp, kefir, flax seed, whatever. Very satisfying.

Then I went to having nothing but that with homemade almond milk and not kefir and fresh organic apples for breakfast. That was followed by spring greens almost all day long, or at times grated carrots and raisins with kefir, then lemon juice. At times, I'd add in ssliced avocado and fresh lemon juice on the greens. They were satisfying.

Once one's palate is 'cleaned' food tastes better and the body metabolizes well. I drank the aminos produced by soaking chia seeds, raw carrot juice and ate a lot of sprouts and raw almonds. All of this was very energizing. The smell of cooked food after a while made me nauseous and the texture was like cardboard and it seemed tasteless.

In the evenings, dinner was for a time, a free range scrambled egg, then I left that out, and had a very satisfying bowl of brown rice and kidney beans with Indian spices. And lots of spring water all day long.

I didn't take any vitamins at all, which was probably a big mistake. Instead of coffee I had herbal tea, usually without any sweetener, sometimes a bit of raw honey.

I am going to get as far down that road as I can, but not get extreme. I'm not too positive about this, but something has to change with me.

So I know you will catch some flak and you will have some support and some criticism. I have a friend who grew up in the mountains in Mexico just south of the Equator. All the people in his family and village lived to be a hundred or close to it. He told me one time:

We are the architects of our bodies.

That stuck with me for a long time, remembering that we are not helpless.

Every so often I read this quote as well:

Every person has free choice. Free to obey or disobey the Natural Laws. Your choice determines the consequences. Nobody ever did, or ever will, escape the consequences of his choices.


~ Alfred A. Montapert

I go on the side of a person choosing what they will do with their body if they harm no one else by their practices. I do believe in medicine and science, but there are doctors and nutritionists who know the value of fruit, vegetables, salads and avoiding empty foods.

However, I will note that the doctors tell me from my quarterly labs that my diabetes is well under control without any RX, and for a moment I thought that meant I was cured.

I am not they explained. Once your body has gone that path, it appears to me, that one's cells are mutated and one can never say they are cured from Type 2. Only controlled, and always dangerous. People are very complex, every body is also different. So I let [people be and respect them for what they choose to do. It's their choice, after all, and we all have to live with our choices.

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Three very important words for you: Sample. Of. One. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #1
Lots of McDougallers would challenge your comment. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #17
Damn skimpy! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #24
oh God. That quack. I know something about him. mainer Oct 2014 #61
Be honest, who's really the quack, Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #69
Or two Applan Oct 2014 #92
Everything in moderation. longship Oct 2014 #2
I try to not go overboard with the moderation. Badda bing! JEB Oct 2014 #179
Bill Clinton is a vegan. Except when he isn't. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #3
Try to put yourself in the shoes of a vegan for a moment.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #21
I'm vegan, except for when I'm not. And make no bones about it. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #30
I know, that is one of my favorite things. cwydro Oct 2014 #131
I bet Bill is all "yes, I'm a vegan" when Chelsea is around, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #135
I love the way the article accuses him of "lying" and then QUOTES him "admitting." MADem Oct 2014 #152
I am going to assume you were type 2 diabetic Egnever Oct 2014 #4
I was diagnosed Type-2 when I was 33. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #62
vegan doesn't necessarily = low-carb noiretextatique Oct 2014 #94
Low carb isn't absolutely necessary as long as it's low simple sugar Warpy Oct 2014 #103
yes...i know, since i have type 2 noiretextatique Oct 2014 #136
Just get a good book that covers nutrition Warpy Oct 2014 #140
It pretty much eliminates high glycemic load carbs Egnever Oct 2014 #104
my last A1C was 5.5 noiretextatique Oct 2014 #137
No symptoms and reversal are not the same thing Egnever Oct 2014 #138
thanks...got it eom noiretextatique Oct 2014 #174
There is no "cure" for a genetic disease eridani Oct 2014 #145
fine...asymptomatic, anyone? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #175
As good a term as any. You can overcome a genetic defect by avoiding-- eridani Oct 2014 #182
i am trying noiretextatique Oct 2014 #187
You can't reverse Type 2 Diabetes kdmorris Oct 2014 #157
Exactly. Marr Oct 2014 #184
um, what? Leafy greens can kill you just the same justabob Oct 2014 #5
Answer: Kitchen vinegar or food grade hydrogen peroxide kills pathogens. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #25
E coli is killed by UV light Warpy Oct 2014 #109
wasn't that because they were contaminated with animal shit? Applan Oct 2014 #88
I have quite a few Vegetarian friends.. not full vegan DontTreadOnMe Oct 2014 #6
Once you cut out meat, you satisfy your hunger with with carbs. mainer Oct 2014 #19
Cheese can be like poison if overconsumed.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #27
Uhm you're going to need to back up the "cheese is like poison" thing. tridim Oct 2014 #164
The OP is about veganism not vegetarianism mucifer Oct 2014 #156
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Good for you, not good for the environment. But hey! Mmmmmm…. industrial meat. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #31
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I wonder... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #82
OH god. yes. What you just said. nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #130
I'd like to add that I'm 66, a happy and enthusiastic SheilaT Oct 2014 #8
I am 75 years old and happy and healthy. RebelOne Oct 2014 #10
Can you explain the rising rates of 10 year old children.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #34
my guess would be a sedentary lifestyle backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #42
Sedentary lifestyle kicks one leg out from under a healthy body.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #46
we will have to agree to disagree backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #52
You might want to view a few documentaries chervilant Oct 2014 #67
again...we will have to agree to disagree backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #72
According to which scientific studies? What source are you quoting? chervilant Oct 2014 #74
why do I need studies?you yourself impeached your own argument backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #79
What?!? chervilant Oct 2014 #93
we need someone to do a study then backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #100
I PROMISE you that your words are not true chervilant Oct 2014 #110
I know exactly where you belong... chervilant Oct 2014 #132
I've been reading through all the posts here and I have to say, it's going to be really HARD napi21 Oct 2014 #133
Spoken like someone that's done their research! +1000. nt Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #73
In my experience, those who react most negatively about Veganism, chervilant Oct 2014 #99
Also raw for thirty is a good doc. I have sent it to relatives but they say you don't have diabetes lunasun Oct 2014 #108
BTW, Chervilant congrats! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #117
Why do I have to explain all that? SheilaT Oct 2014 #116
I am no defender of meat or meat eating (I haven't eaten red meat for decades), but Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #178
Statins save lives and there are more nitrates in a bunch of celery Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #188
Paternal G-Grandma - 102, Missouri pig farmer's daughter. Died of Pneumonia. haele Oct 2014 #146
Good for you. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #9
THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2014 #105
Really? Restricted diet? Most of the meat eaters I know, and I live in a foodie town, eat far less Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #123
restricted as in denying yourself entire food groups Skittles Oct 2014 #168
Good for you leftynyc Oct 2014 #11
Not many meat eaters live that long.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #36
Tiny percentage? Link please. n/t tammywammy Oct 2014 #48
Do you have a link to support that assertion? n/t zappaman Oct 2014 #51
My grandfather just turned 90 tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #60
link please nt backwoodsbob Oct 2014 #75
I think you need to back that up with facts. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #111
Let's see leftynyc Oct 2014 #150
Lots and lots of BS data coming from you. tridim Oct 2014 #165
My carnivorous dad lived to be 92. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #83
Agree leftynyc Oct 2014 #151
k&r Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #12
Great for you. I do experiment with foods to find which ones trigger my inflamation NightWatcher Oct 2014 #13
Bison is mostly free range and nearly fat-free.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #41
A few years ago, I went from SAD to lacto veg, but jumped from veg to raw. I never felt better, but freshwest Oct 2014 #144
Are you really claiming that animal fat causes inflammation? tridim Oct 2014 #166
Vegan makes me anemic, tired, and moody. closeupready Oct 2014 #14
44yrs here and perfect labs every year. Meat is tasty. ileus Oct 2014 #15
I'm glad you healed yourself by going vegan. SalviaBlue Oct 2014 #16
exhibit A for an earlier thread methinks.... whatthehey Oct 2014 #18
New book: Americans cut out fat from their diets.... and got fat because of it. mainer Oct 2014 #20
I eat plenty of fat in my vegan diet.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #23
Wasn't the problem that they substituted carbs and sugars, though? freshwest Oct 2014 #148
Right. But as book states, meat and fat are satisfying mainer Oct 2014 #162
Right. There has to be something to end that hunger, I've noticed it's a process freshwest Oct 2014 #167
And this is why "people hate vegans." The_Commonist Oct 2014 #22
Glad to be hated.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #45
Is there some reason you are behaving so rudely? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #49
Who brought up the hateful comment first? Me or the person I replied to? Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #55
Your entire post was picking a fight from the very beginning. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #65
I am going to Outback tonight and can't wait yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #57
Misleading headline. Implies being vegan causes issues still_one Oct 2014 #26
Here's what a 70+ yr old Vegan looks like nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #28
Your snarky FACTS are clouding the debate! Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #29
Here's what a self described Vegan hater looks like at 47 nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #143
Here's what a 74 year old meat eater looks like zappaman Oct 2014 #32
wow.. grandma is looking good! DontTreadOnMe Oct 2014 #33
Note to self: Eat more meat! Uben Oct 2014 #40
Question, are you on any medications? nt Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #50
Just one Uben Oct 2014 #113
How much plastic surgery went into that> (nt) malokvale77 Oct 2014 #90
Yes, my question also. n/t RebelOne Oct 2014 #181
That's after a few facelifts Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #97
Difference being, one has had extensive plastic surgery, the other has not. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #124
I'm sure genetics are involved, too. GoCubsGo Oct 2014 #171
That's not a very large sample size phil89 Oct 2014 #39
Vegans make up about 1.5% of the population.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #66
Yes, as a matter of fact, this woman looks positively ancient compared to my Ecumenist Oct 2014 #161
Yup, my Mom - except for the salon and spa treatments the above lady obviously gets. Genetics. haele Oct 2014 #173
my great grandfather sabbat hunter Oct 2014 #35
It's not for everyone. I have a friend who was made sick and weak by veganism. Brickbat Oct 2014 #38
livingwagenow...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #43
Good work. msanthrope Oct 2014 #58
And Union Yes before that... SidDithers Oct 2014 #80
Hey, I've seen that one. Didn't finish it though. freshwest Oct 2014 #149
I'm 53. I eat meat. Lots of it. Feeling fine here. End of story. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #44
I'm 51. I eat meat too. zappaman Oct 2014 #53
Beef short ribs last night. My Wife cooked 'em. Melt in your mouth. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #106
That sounds awesome! zappaman Oct 2014 #115
Damn! Closest In & Out is 40 miles from here. Jealous. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #120
Are you on any rx meds? Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #54
No meds. Horrendous rotator cuff though; it's getting operated on in November. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #102
I support your decision to eat how you choose. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #47
SINNERS! SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD! Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #56
Exactly. FSogol Oct 2014 #59
Let the rabbits wear glasses! opiate69 Oct 2014 #63
+1 HuckleB Oct 2014 #81
Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #89
Well just stand back.. I have a vegan story and it will get some peoples goat Peacetrain Oct 2014 #64
Well, old friend, we are in the process of going vegan rurallib Oct 2014 #70
That was a good one for me, too. chervilant Oct 2014 #87
Its a real process that is for sure Peacetrain Oct 2014 #121
Wow...the things one can learn at the library! n/t zappaman Oct 2014 #68
Oh no u did nt! Rex Oct 2014 #76
. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #91
It's not LG... SidDithers Oct 2014 #96
I hope you take Zinc ssupplements. eom MohRokTah Oct 2014 #71
I eat pumkin seeds, high in zinc.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #84
No thanks. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #85
I haven't liked the taste of meat since I was a child HockeyMom Oct 2014 #77
I'm 55 and, similarly, I never liked the taste of meat, so when I went vegetarian, I learned what I Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #125
There is a point where, when meat is cooking, and the fat is being rendered off it, that it makes Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #177
Me too. I never liked meat (well, red meat). Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #176
Eat what you want to. No one else cares. mainer Oct 2014 #78
My view, a nation that eats meat has unaffordable healthcare.. Veganhealedme Oct 2014 #86
lol...meat eaters get a little defensive on DU demwing Oct 2014 #95
One time I had a grazer criticize my purchases at the grocery checkout. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #98
I knew you would get flamed for this... malokvale77 Oct 2014 #101
Welcome to DU! LiberalElite Oct 2014 #107
I fail to understand what it is that makes you.. 99Forever Oct 2014 #112
I'm a 44 year old vegan. Codeine Oct 2014 #114
Youre wasting your time bringing this here... bunnies Oct 2014 #118
uh huh Skittles Oct 2014 #170
Good on you Vegan. I have been trying to go vegan, old habits are dying hard here. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #119
How nice for you Generic Brad Oct 2014 #122
Would you tell me what you eat during a typical week? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #126
Vegan is very high carbs which leads to blood sugar spikes. BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #128
Vegetarians longest lived in US. ErikJ Oct 2014 #127
How do you know it's because they don't smoke or drink? mainer Oct 2014 #163
Right. ErikJ Oct 2014 #172
I have a co worker who is a fanatic vegan Danmel Oct 2014 #129
Actually, there is one...peripheral neuropathy... Barack_America Oct 2014 #134
I have that...in all my extremities Marrah_G Oct 2014 #147
I Eat Chicken Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #139
When I have tried vegan or vegetarian diets, Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #141
Our town's leading TV weatherman is a vegan. JEFF9K Oct 2014 #142
Vegans are deficient in several important nutrients, including Creatine and B12. Marr Oct 2014 #153
"Wanna compare the health of a vegan to that of a meat eater? " Inkfreak Oct 2014 #154
This is such a preachy stereotype, I feel like I'm being trolled... Oktober Oct 2014 #155
As the first response said... sample of one kdmorris Oct 2014 #158
I'm quoting the author Isaac Bashevis Singer mucifer Oct 2014 #159
Well this is nonsense. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #160
the OP thinks only vegan means no meds Skittles Oct 2014 #169
Shhh, stop being sensible shenmue Oct 2014 #183
Look, eat what you want. But some of your claims in this thread are BS. bigwillq Oct 2014 #180
Thank you. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #185
Everyone is different AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #186
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