General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: The long, LONG, LONGER list of VEGAN-CAUSED health ailments, diseases, and deaths.. [View all]haele
(15,374 posts)Loved her Saturday Morning Bacon and Eggs, scrapple, chitlins, and sweet-breads. 5'even, 170 lbs, was in the process of sewing a quilt on her old reliable 1907 Singer treadle sewing machine before she got sick and died.
Paternal Grandma - 92, hypertension/depression. 5'2" and 270 lbs since she was in her 40's. Famous for her meat-loafs and lard-based pastries (especially biscuits, pies, and cookies).
Paternal Great-aunt - 98, shingles, New York Socialite and dinner party giver. 5'8, 150 lbs, regular dancer until some drunk broke her ankle when she was 96, didn't look a day over a healthy, active 65. Developed type II diabetes when she was around 90.
Paternal males - 2 auto accidents(35 and 78), 1 lung cancer (chain-smoker) (62), and stroke (my father - 77) that was caused by medication for a weird fungal infection of the blood he apparently picked up when he was stationed overseas.
All others in my father's generation are still alive.
Maternal Grandfather - 99 (old age). 6'3", 160 lbs or so. Scandinavian born in Lancaster Co. (PA) who loved to cook traditional foods - lots of meat and lard. 2nd oldest of eight, most of his siblings were still alive when he passed.
Maternal Grandmother - 39 (ovarian cancer). Worked as an aircraft painter during WWII and developed the cancer over the 1950's afterwards. Don't know about her family history.
My mother and everyone else in her generation are currently in their 70's and are active and certainly not vegan.
The most common thread in all their diets was that for the most part, they ate in moderation. Meat may have been served a lot, but it was not in large quantities; usually no more than 2 - 4 oz a day. There were left-overs when they cooked, and while they didn't believe in throwing food away (depression era shock), they also believed that going back for seconds if you were still hungry was far more preferable than leaving food on the plate. Oh yes, most of them did eat some form of veggies at every meal, and there was always a leafy greens salad at most dinners on both sides of the family.
Of course, this is a history of my family, their general dietary habits, and the genetic metabolism and associated lifespan they have left me. It's not a snark attack against vegans or vegetarians in general.
I know everyone is different, and for some people, a vegan diet is best - or perhaps it would be more optimal for their health to go a modified vegetarian, paleo, or South-Beach style diet than straight-up vegan or high fat/protein and no carbs.
And while I don't get upset or offended if someone suggests some form of dietary regime that may work better health-wise for my more sedentary type of work and life, I tend to be very skeptical when someone who isn't my doctor, but maybe knows about a lot of tests that other people did, tries to guilt me or preach at me about how they think I should eat.
I've always felt that diet ultimately is something between a person, their doctor, and their nutritionist who is working with them. Oh, and the resources and budget available to them. A lot of times, there is nothing but processed crap available to fix, serve or eat.
Haele