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51. So many people take whatever the police say as god-given irrefutable fact

Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:22 PM

Oct 2014

If the Brown case and others have taught us anything, it is that we should never take what the cops say as fact. They have been proven to lie in so many cases it isn't even worth debating.

Maybe, hopefully, there will be video of this. And other witnesses.

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St. Louis teen "was wearing an ankle bracelet at the time he died [View all] pintobean Oct 2014 OP

I heard it was actually a sandwich he tossed into the drain linuxman Oct 2014 #1

The incident in the OP is a prior incident.... AZ Mike Oct 2014 #3

I heard that a cousin said it wasn't an ankle bracelet pintobean Oct 2014 #5

What An Ugly Remark otohara Oct 2014 #163

DU jumping to conclusions before all the facts are released, Nah, that never happens. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #2

Not sure what you're getting at. savalez Oct 2014 #109

Ill quote somebody else from this thread Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #122

I was skeptical that this was a cover up by the police last night scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2014 #6

He was violating the conditions of his bail pintobean Oct 2014 #9

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #10

"Maybe liberals..." Spoken like someone who doesn't consider himself one. randome Oct 2014 #14

Are you kidding me? Oktober Oct 2014 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2014 #19

I don't think any of that would being going through the cops mind if he was scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #34

Did the suspect know he had been arrested and was illegally in position of a weapon? mythology Oct 2014 #139

How do you *not* know that you've been arrested? Travelman Oct 2014 #144

I think your sarcasm detector pintobean Oct 2014 #149

Probably so. Travelman Oct 2014 #153

Of course past behavior is reasonable to consider, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #31

But past behavior will give more credence to the cop's version of events. randome Oct 2014 #44

You mean in court? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #45

Well, the judges seemed to think he was low risk when they lowered his bail and logosoco Oct 2014 #76

Unfortunately, the past behavior we're considering is that of the police Warpy Oct 2014 #152

What did he do that merits his now being dead? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #11

He gave it a good try it seems... Oktober Oct 2014 #13

according to whom? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #25

Get your racist ass outta here! bravenak Oct 2014 #28

That was the quickest jury I've ever served on... Glassunion Oct 2014 #32

Good job!!! Some people make you wish their mothers were on birth control that month.nt bravenak Oct 2014 #40

7-0, hopefully? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #170

Had just went to alert on that bullshit... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #33

Prepare yourself for another month of mind numbing insanity!! bravenak Oct 2014 #39

I know, they're like sharks... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #43

Your first post is a load of racist tripe. Hope your pizza arrives soon. riqster Oct 2014 #29

That was me scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #54

Fired a gun at the cop. pintobean Oct 2014 #15

Apparently, he fired a sandwich at the cop. Travelman Oct 2014 #80

Flying pickles are lethal. savalez Oct 2014 #107

He shot at an officer 3 times Aerows Oct 2014 #145

and you are positive about that? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #147

Ballistics confirmed Aerows Oct 2014 #148

link? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #151

Latest I can find Aerows Oct 2014 #154

Nothing in there says ballistics tests on the kid Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #157

The officer was off duty, wasn't he? Raine1967 Oct 2014 #23

In uniform Aerows Oct 2014 #155

Blech. Raine1967 Oct 2014 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author napkinz Oct 2014 #7

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #8

"...Nothing in the court file indicates any violations...." uponit7771 Oct 2014 #16

Good to know it was justified murder. dilby Oct 2014 #18

Firing on a cop is never a good idea pintobean Oct 2014 #20

However firing on a unknown attacker is if one wants to try and live. dilby Oct 2014 #24

You seem to be going by pintobean Oct 2014 #26

Was in uniform but not in a police vehicle. dilby Oct 2014 #35

Maybe not, but I bet this young man could. pintobean Oct 2014 #37

Didn't the report say they had a physical altercation before he took off running? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #42

It seems they knew he was a cop scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #48

The article is not clear on why the cop was after the guys in the first place. logosoco Oct 2014 #21

It doesn't matter Travelman Oct 2014 #86

It matters to me. logosoco Oct 2014 #91

"Why" seems so quaint and obsolete in this new era of Might makes Right. But, yeah, KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #113

Live by the sword die by the sword boomer55 Oct 2014 #22

Cops live by the sword. Iggo Oct 2014 #58

+1 bravenak Oct 2014 #142

fucking tragic n/t orleans Oct 2014 #27

I agree with that. /nt pintobean Oct 2014 #30

How come routine pedestrian stops always happen to black people?? bravenak Oct 2014 #36

Brown folks as well, I posted earlier about all the times giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #41

I mean really, what the fuck is this shit? bravenak Oct 2014 #47

Exactly, we've been seeing the same old lines & excuses giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #52

Never gollygee Oct 2014 #49

That hurts my feelings. bravenak Oct 2014 #56

That is terrifying! gollygee Oct 2014 #61

I think we need more people filming everything they do. bravenak Oct 2014 #73

+1 !! gollygee Oct 2014 #77

That is awful, I am sorry. I am sorry that the cops have so many apologists in this country sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #85

Ah, Sabrina, I know YOU would NEVER condone this crap. bravenak Oct 2014 #88

I know it isn't just NY, sadly. Clearly it is widespread. I definitely agree that everyone should sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #96

Here is the case I was thinking about. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #98

Wow, that same cop was involved in a racism case in 2008. bravenak Oct 2014 #100

I didn't know that. I know I will get flamed for this, but our 'Civilian' police are out of control sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #162

I can't argue with that pintobean Oct 2014 #57

The reports seem to be rather vague on numerous points but a police magazine was emptied. gordianot Oct 2014 #135

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Bullshit. bravenak Oct 2014 #65

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #70

You get disappeared pintobean Oct 2014 #66

Bullshit. gollygee Oct 2014 #69

I used to get stopped all the time Lurker Deluxe Oct 2014 #71

Yeah, you would have. bravenak Oct 2014 #75

I remember one instance ... Lurker Deluxe Oct 2014 #83

No, we cannot. And don't want to. bravenak Oct 2014 #84

I agree Lurker Deluxe Oct 2014 #89

it's never happened to me, but notadmblnd Oct 2014 #116

I am so glad I have girls. bravenak Oct 2014 #118

when my husband and I found out we were having a child, we wanted a girl notadmblnd Oct 2014 #129

Weird, I didn't know violating house arrest was an giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #38

pretty much shooting at a cop is though. boomer55 Oct 2014 #46

Oh yeah, the cop who just murdered someone said this? giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #55

The forensics certainly seem to say that Travelman Oct 2014 #92

Gotta link because this story says none of that. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #115

The link in the OP say all of that pintobean Oct 2014 #119

The link in the OP certainly has it for me Travelman Oct 2014 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #50

That's out of line man scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #60

This is what we call complete & utter bullshit. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #62

Don't anyone copy and paste this crap pintobean Oct 2014 #63

Time for you to go home Darren. bravenak Oct 2014 #67

So many people take whatever the police say as god-given irrefutable fact n2doc Oct 2014 #51

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #64

Goodbye. bravenak Oct 2014 #68

Goodbye Mr Wilson. Iggo Oct 2014 #72

So, you are pre-judging someone you don't know because of past behaviors of other in their group joeglow3 Oct 2014 #74

I am not accepting the Police Chief's word as fact n2doc Oct 2014 #79

I treat him no different than I would anyone else joeglow3 Oct 2014 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2014 #53

The article doesn't state he was involved in a previous shooting fyi Quayblue Oct 2014 #82

Both the gun and the rounds he is alleged to have fired at the cop Travelman Oct 2014 #93

This is another one of those cases... theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #78

And so the smearing of the victim begins. dballance Oct 2014 #87

By his own lawyer, too. pintobean Oct 2014 #94

From most accounts madville Oct 2014 #101

Intuition tells cops to constantly stop black men and steal their money too. bravenak Oct 2014 #106

But this cop didn't stop them randomly madville Oct 2014 #112

I would run if I saw an officer too. bravenak Oct 2014 #114

No, he could not legally possess a handgun. Mugu Oct 2014 #123

You cannot tell by looking at someone if they are 18 or 21. bravenak Oct 2014 #124

As I pointed out up-thread pintobean Oct 2014 #127

Police chose to ignore that they are profiling black people and treat them differently. bravenak Oct 2014 #130

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #132

I lived smack dab in the middle of gang territory. bravenak Oct 2014 #133

I didn't say anyone was happy pintobean Oct 2014 #134

Oh, Excuse me. You said his neighbors are relieved he got killed by a cop. bravenak Oct 2014 #137

Lol. pintobean Oct 2014 #138

I know, right?? bravenak Oct 2014 #141

completely and utterly wrong. It's 18. cali Oct 2014 #146

Technically, an 18yo may own a handgun. Mugu Oct 2014 #168

The gun has been traced back Jenoch Oct 2014 #90

Interesting reading... Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #95

What I do not find surprising Jenoch Oct 2014 #99

Maybe if cops stopped profiling and harassing people, we would stop profiling them. bravenak Oct 2014 #102

You're doing a lot of assuming Jenoch Oct 2014 #105

Cops do alot of assuming too. bravenak Oct 2014 #110

A lot of people won't believe you, I can see from this thread, but everyone here KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #121

I was around for the Rampart scandal. bravenak Oct 2014 #126

Cops get off the hook.... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #97

That's brilliant!!!! greytdemocrat Oct 2014 #103

but this seems to be not so much about his record but that he had a gun and cali Oct 2014 #104

Since the cop was off-duty and working a second job Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #111

I believe he was in police uniform. cali Oct 2014 #125

I',m trashing this thread alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #108

In other words pintobean Oct 2014 #128

Can't really fault the officer in this case. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #117

In order to accept the cops' version of what happened, one has to discard KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #131

Who are these eye witnesses? pintobean Oct 2014 #136

"Eye witness" may be something of a misnomer, but there is a video still shot of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #140

But he shot at the cop whether he had a sandwich in his hand or not scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #143

Oh, Myers shot at a cop, did he? You've personally seen the independent forensics KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #160

Eyewitness accounts Aerows Oct 2014 #156

Maybe I'm behind the curve here, but as far as I'm aware, there has been KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #161

I don't think this is some big police conspiracy or cover up here. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #150

They are saying he ran damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #158

In a vacuum, maybe Travelman Oct 2014 #159

your OP is largely consistent with your posts about Trayvon Martin CreekDog Oct 2014 #164

You won't get an answer. Not before December anyway. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2014 #165

oh CreekDog Oct 2014 #169

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Yes and people should note his own lawyer saying it representativepress Oct 2014 #167

I'm still not sure that justifies shooting the kid 17 times. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #171