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Showing Original Post only (View all)Our founding fathers were not Christians. [View all]
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One of the many attacks on our country from the Religious Right is the claim that our country is a Christian Nation...not just that the majority of people are Christians, but that the country itself was founded by Christians, for Christians. However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. Those people who spread this lie are known as Christian Revisionists. They are attempting to rewrite history, in much the same way as holocaust deniers are. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. They were Freethinkers who relied on their reason, not their faith.
If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"-- but as you will soon see, that's the language of Deism, not Christianity.
If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"-- but as you will soon see, that's the language of Deism, not Christianity.
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Yep, all logic and truth fails with fundies ... best to just write them off as prehistoric. n/t
RKP5637
Apr 2012
#2
Fundamentalism hadn't been invented when the forefathers signed the Constistuition.
kwassa
Apr 2012
#20
You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead wish to debate what I didn't write
Major Nikon
Apr 2012
#31
Many of the founding fathers were either deists or were very sympathetic to deism
Major Nikon
Apr 2012
#39
do you think the god he wanted her to believe in was something other than the christian god?
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#41
all your "guesses" are predictated on your own faith, and must be taken on faith.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#44
I think that's an overreaction. Maybe I was trying to be too clever in phrasing, but all I meant
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#50
in private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[2] "a sect by myself" (1819),
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#42
what's the usual meaning of the word? in my world, "christian" refers to anyone from the fundie
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#46
But the faith of the fathers is irrelevant. What's relevant is their faith in separation of church
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#49
It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion.
eomer
Apr 2012
#52
It's not worth debunking when it's an unwinnable pissing match that distracts from publicizing
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#61
I think it is worthwhile to point this out to people who claim that Jefferson was a Christian...
eomer
Apr 2012
#68
You are defining a Christian as a follower of Christ. In that sense, many deists would be
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#64
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine, Monroe, Madison, Adams, Hamilton.... any questions?
underpants
Apr 2012
#57
Five founders who were skeptical of organized Christianity and couldn't be elected today!
yortsed snacilbuper
Apr 2012
#5
actually, there is, it's called the God Nodule and it's a specific cerebral locus.
nebenaube
Apr 2012
#59
The prohibition against murder and theft is not unique to the Christian and Jewish religions.
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#65
Well the Bill of Rights/parts of constitution were borrowed from Iroquois confederacy - not
Kashkakat v.2.0
Apr 2012
#7
It's both from common law but influenced by the Iroquois form of government as
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#18
Yep, it's just a lost cause. Also, "if" they had divine knowledge with a capital T, many of
RKP5637
Apr 2012
#16
And even if they were they were not in favor of having an official national church. They were for
jwirr
Apr 2012
#23
Yes, they were Christians, but the problem with this argument from Fundies is....
Moonwalk
Apr 2012
#27
Jefferson and Adams did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Read their correspondence.
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#67