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34. This S*** drives me crazy!

Fri Oct 10, 2014, 10:50 AM

Oct 2014

Have we all lost our ability to think logically? Do I love all of the Democrats in the Congress?...obviously not, but first we must vote out the cancer on our democracy that is the Republican party. AFTER THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CONTROL OF CONGRESS AGAIN, THEN WE CAN WEED OUT THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE NOT DOWN WITH THE PROGRAM.

Change is incremental. This is something the Republicans have understood for three decades and the Democrats refuse to embrace. Just because you cannot fix things in one election cycle, is not a reason to sit the voting out.

Since the early 80's the republicans have been organizing on a community level grooming candidates from the very bottom up... starting with dog catcher and school boards. Meanwhile Local Democrats in my district in the Hudson Valley of NYS have a hard time fielding ANY candidates for any office below Congress. The left has succumbed to the Nadarization of leftist politics. Why has Nader never run for Congress... or Governor or State Senator? Politics in the USA is a ground-up game and it takes years to win real power and that real power is in Congress. You are witnessing Republican WINNING right now.

Can we win on the national stage when the bankruptcy of Republican policies is exposed though televised debates... of course! This is not enough, as we have witnessed in the last six years.

We must be interested in more than the top prize in order to effect change.
2014 is the moment! If not now, we will be doomed to another ineffectual 4 to 8 years with a hobbled Democratic president, no matter who wins the nomination.

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Why Are 'Progressive' Websites Discouraging Voting? [View all] MineralMan Oct 2014 OP

Categorically impossible for a progressive to discourage geek tragedy Oct 2014 #1

I edited my post title to add quotes around the word. MineralMan Oct 2014 #2

Anyone engaged in actively Getting Out The Vote JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #3

Thank you. You are absolutely right! MineralMan Oct 2014 #12

Well said! riqster Oct 2014 #4

We need to be encouraging people/good democrats to get out the vote Gothmog Oct 2014 #5

Talking points memo has become a cesspool of negativity kimbutgar Oct 2014 #6

Yep. I always vote against Repubs. riqster Oct 2014 #7

I don't "see it all over the internet" tkmorris Oct 2014 #8

Really? I don't go to that many political websites. MineralMan Oct 2014 #21

So, your examples supporting your OP theaocp Oct 2014 #25

I don't usually link to other people's opinions. MineralMan Oct 2014 #26

Therefore, your "style" is not to provide facts brentspeak Oct 2014 #56

Somebody Kick Your Puppy? ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #71

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #107

Is there a "babble" translator on the web? brentspeak Oct 2014 #181

are you baiting him, so he gets a hide? same thing happens to me every time I post in threads that bettyellen Oct 2014 #115

SOP for that one. emulatorloo Oct 2014 #162

flypaper for "social justice warriors" and those that realize that women's rights are not a "niche bettyellen Oct 2014 #178

Just so there is no misunderstanding, am 100% behind mineral man's post and GOTV efforts. emulatorloo Oct 2014 #179

Yes, because you are especially known around here for your outrage brentspeak Oct 2014 #182

That's right, not big on anti-dem half-truth hatchet-jobs by fake progressives. emulatorloo Oct 2014 #184

AKA: Your imagination. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #70

Nope. My opinion. I have one. MineralMan Oct 2014 #111

I see tkmorris Oct 2014 #33

I think MM was being polite ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #44

And posting specific examples would get a post hidden, everyone knows that. But since you're here: freshwest Oct 2014 #102

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #105

Really? You're one of those who make DU bearable some days. Along with 'my friends' who wouldn't freshwest Oct 2014 #117

Good post...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #108

^^^ THIS^^^ bettyellen Oct 2014 #116

Oustanding post. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #174

Agree with you here. DU is not representative of Dems I kinow IRL. freshwest Oct 2014 #119

Even my friends who are rabid about the NSA acknowledge other issues that Dems are much stronger on bettyellen Oct 2014 #125

I think you are a con gaslighting the 47%/ 99% again Stargazer99 Oct 2014 #53

You think I'm a "CON"? Seriously? tkmorris Oct 2014 #84

You should try reading a website named "Democratic Underground" jeff47 Oct 2014 #60

"Call out alert bait"?!? Tone it down tkmorris Oct 2014 #75

And then you asked for examples. jeff47 Oct 2014 #77

Again, he spoke of people elsewhere on the internet tkmorris Oct 2014 #82

No, he spoke of "on the Internet". Elsewhere was your addition. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2014 #91

In fact he said 'all over the internet'. The words are at the top of this page. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #149

requesting evidence of one's assertions is now considered to be a call out? frylock Oct 2014 #88

No, the call out is responding with examples. jeff47 Oct 2014 #90

All's they have to do is post a link, that is not a call out. bahrbearian Oct 2014 #138

He can't post examples, as we very well know here. It'd get hidden as a call out. freshwest Oct 2014 #118

There are progressive people, then there are 'progressives.' wyldwolf Oct 2014 #9

Pseudo-progressives or fake-progressives. emulatorloo Oct 2014 #163

I agree Andy823 Oct 2014 #10

Could you give some evidence to support your claim? cali Oct 2014 #11

The evidence is all around us. MineralMan Oct 2014 #14

so you can't give any evidence. And around here there is very little cali Oct 2014 #22

My post is my post. If you want a different post, MineralMan Oct 2014 #23

I went through the first two pages of FDL and didn't find any articles discouraging voting Chathamization Oct 2014 #29

you're ruining a perfectly good two-minute hate.. frylock Oct 2014 #41

Likewise, I go to Alternet daily. Fuddnik Oct 2014 #83

another conservative troll? Stargazer99 Oct 2014 #55

Yeah, posts like this don't litter DU jeff47 Oct 2014 #63

That's twice you've linked to the same post tkmorris Oct 2014 #76

Actually 3 times. Go look down the thread a bit further jeff47 Oct 2014 #78

If you want to claim there IS a database, then yeah tkmorris Oct 2014 #85

There is. You get it by using the box I already told you about. jeff47 Oct 2014 #89

They are as progressive as... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #13

Thank you. I appreciate your GOTV efforts more than I can say. MineralMan Oct 2014 #16

Good luck out there! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #95

Great news... as good as what I heard from someone in N.C. GOTV! freshwest Oct 2014 #121

fresh JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #123

Thanks for that post and for doing what you're doing today. Wishing you health and strength. freshwest Oct 2014 #120

"Limbaughciles" Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #161

Damn good question. I'm so SICK of it. Republicans ARE going to vote. Triana Oct 2014 #15

FU to the purveyors of doom, gloom, and discontent and who spread fear, uncertainty and doubt! BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #17

Thanks so much! MineralMan Oct 2014 #18

Count me as.. sendero Oct 2014 #19

Because republicans have ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #45

Rather recent.. sendero Oct 2014 #46

Excellent points Andy823 Oct 2014 #47

Not a lack of "knowledge" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #51

+100 truebluegreen Oct 2014 #64

Hmmmmm Andy823 Oct 2014 #142

I've heard all that, ad nauseum. But thanks. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #156

K&R and FU FDL. nt tridim Oct 2014 #20

because republicans pretend to be Ds to have less Ds vote. All Rs care about is to get voted in. Sunlei Oct 2014 #24

Because they are NOT progressives, liberals, Democrats or even moderates Peacetrain Oct 2014 #27

In many cases, I believe you're correct. MineralMan Oct 2014 #28

Agreed. nt Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #31

+1 n/t FSogol Oct 2014 #87

I think some of them are progressives.... sweetloukillbot Oct 2014 #110

Some folks are waiting for a candidate as pure as the driven snow shenmue Oct 2014 #30

I dunno but their blog or whatever does not reflect reality imo. Rex Oct 2014 #32

Me and my wife.. sendero Oct 2014 #61

This S*** drives me crazy! Zoonart Oct 2014 #34

It could be troll driven get the red out Oct 2014 #35

Childish Zoonart Oct 2014 #37

I agree Andy823 Oct 2014 #49

Why? Ivywoods55 Oct 2014 #36

Indeed Zoonart Oct 2014 #38

I suspect many of the persons posting that crap malaise Oct 2014 #39

Well, I'm sure some of them are. Others may well be MineralMan Oct 2014 #40

Follow the crowd syndrome Andy823 Oct 2014 #50

Yeah I agree 100%. Rex Oct 2014 #143

While ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #42

'A successful libertarian Revolution would be the brass ring of oligarchic ambition' freshwest Oct 2014 #124

some people are saying.... frylock Oct 2014 #43

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #48

Lol. Gotta hang on to that one. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #52

You know, on the internets ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #54

I always vote. I vote issues and policies, not party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #57

It's not pro-Republicanism or nihilism. It's purism. Jim Lane Oct 2014 #58

Why are right wingers posting on progressive websites? brentspeak Oct 2014 #59

right... marions ghost Oct 2014 #67

I haven't seen that anywhere. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #62

There's this one called "Democratic Underground" jeff47 Oct 2014 #65

Even if I accept that there are Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #68

How 'bout this one: jeff47 Oct 2014 #73

Sorry, you didn't read it all. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #79

I gave an easy-for-me to find example. jeff47 Oct 2014 #93

But that's my point - when you actually go back to find the comments Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #94

When you get 6 people saying "they're identical economically, but different socially" jeff47 Oct 2014 #96

Not true, Erch ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #113

K&R plus BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #66

I don't see what you claim to be seeing. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #69

everywhere I go, heaven05 Oct 2014 #72

Anyone claiming that there is no difference between the parties is NOT a Progressive. liberal N proud Oct 2014 #74

Anger the right, discourage the left ... shift turnout ... win!!!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #80

Proposing a special tax on wealth to pay for the new war would GTV grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #81

Really think so ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #109

Of course, remember occupy, let's get their vote! grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #127

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #133

Why Are 'Progressive' Websites Discouraging Voting? The CCC Oct 2014 #86

We need to open up about those worries... HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #92

TRULY "Progressive" sites wouldn't discourage exercising the right to vote. CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #97

Real progressives are the most aware of the rot infecting our governments... Orsino Oct 2014 #98

The Koch Brothers can afford to pay trolls Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #99

"The Koch Brothers can afford to pay trolls". Ding! Ding! Ding! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #175

So you attack and then enourage people to GOTV? Oilwellian Oct 2014 #100

Pretty typical MO for minealman BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #104

There was Ed Schultz famous promise not to vote in the 2010 midterms.. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #101

What appears to be the product of your imagination stupidicus Oct 2014 #103

Well, Sherman A1 Oct 2014 #106

Now we have at leas two posts Andy823 Oct 2014 #112

These are paid Republican hacks Warpy Oct 2014 #114

IMO, once they realized they got away with stealing the elections in 2000 and 2004 Rex Oct 2014 #122

Any site that salivates over GG would openly advocate for disengagement. It's a continuing campaign Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #126

Sometimes they give themselves away with a partial alignment MineralMan Oct 2014 #128

Anyone who hasn't figured out that dynamic is just "willfully" ignorant. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #131

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #134

+1. "And if taken in sufficient quantities ... equally as blinding". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #139

Everclear brings back memories ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #140

Me too. It may be the only time in my life, when I over indulged. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #141

"Liberaltarians" is what the word is for them. Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #164

+1. Have you seen this? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #168

WHat??! BUt I don't see NO examples of the "both sides are the same" stuFf here that MM is talkinG Number23 Oct 2014 #169

You're getting sleepy, very very sleepy. You didn't really see what you thought you saw. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #173

I was busy and didn't catch that, Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #170

Whaddya want to bet they're "priveleged"? You know what I mean, right? They can afford to.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #172

At risk of losing our voting rights JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #177

so you're already preparing to lose *and* to blame the most active members of the party MisterP Oct 2014 #129

Nope. In my districts and state there's not a chance we'll lose. MineralMan Oct 2014 #130

Hey "mineral man" BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #135

Why the quotes? My screen name is MineralMan. MineralMan Oct 2014 #146

imagine posting an op with this subject line, and not a single link Doctor_J Oct 2014 #132

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #136

So it seems. Must be close to the mark. MineralMan Oct 2014 #147

Why are the imaginary farts coming out of my head discouraging voting? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #137

Good one. bahrbearian Oct 2014 #144

jinx! buy me a Coke! MisterP Oct 2014 #152

Lol BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #153

and it's not like one can't make an argument about voting vs mass abstentionism MisterP Oct 2014 #155

lol nt m-lekktor Oct 2014 #171

I suspect many of these "Progressive" sites might be FAKE progressive sites by the 1% or the right.. cascadiance Oct 2014 #145

There seems to be a rash of these "trash the Left posts". To what purpose? Are they intended rhett o rick Oct 2014 #148

Well Andy823 Oct 2014 #151

He is cleverly putting forth the same anti-Left meme that seems to be popping up here in DU. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #165

pre emptive blame for the dc dems upcoming debacle Doctor_J Oct 2014 #157

Exactly. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #166

I have not seen these things you claim to have seen. And around here the election seems to Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #150

I aint seeing it all over the internet ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #154

We just voted Tuesday for municipal/borough elections. raven mad Oct 2014 #158

Straw man argument. ;-) kickysnana Oct 2014 #159

Why are conservative "Democrats" discouraging voting? JEB Oct 2014 #160

Sock puppets. snot Oct 2014 #167

A link to a link JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #176

I haven't seen that ANYWHERE on the Net. Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #180

Well since MM won't actually give the URLs to any of these sites Rex Oct 2014 #183