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zipplewrath

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113. All I'm saying

Fri Oct 10, 2014, 09:56 AM

Oct 2014

People want to claim that the ACA is some sort of pathway to single payer. But I just don't see the evidence. Medicare has been around for 50 years and we aren't particularly closer. Potentially we are worse off because it is constantly used as a bogeyman for "how bad" the government would do things (but don't touch my Medicare). Folks want to point to Vermont, but that effort predates ACA and in fact Obama fought to make sure that the ACA wouldn't obstruct it. The plan that Obama started from was basically a version of a GOP plan that was intended to obstruct the Clinton plan that was a whole lot closer to single payer than this.

So I hear the claim that ACA is some sort of magic path to single payer, but the evidence is sorely lacking.

But you might enjoy things better over at the BOG.

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next time someone bashes ACA [View all] strawberries Oct 2014 OP

Wow What a series of events. merrily Oct 2014 #1

So you got yours zipplewrath Oct 2014 #2

Your post is seething with hate and resentment. Why? You are blaming the WRONG Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #3

+1000 JoePhilly Oct 2014 #4

I do to some extent zipplewrath Oct 2014 #7

??? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #28

And in 2010? zipplewrath Oct 2014 #46

Sp the ACA is working, right? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #48

For who? zipplewrath Oct 2014 #50

For the many more Millions ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #53

The OP was an anecdotal reference zipplewrath Oct 2014 #59

Why don't you blame the Republican-led states refusing the Medicaid expansion pnwmom Oct 2014 #57

This isn't about blame zipplewrath Oct 2014 #58

The ACA is effective, when it is followed. The states that chose to reject the free Medicaid funds pnwmom Oct 2014 #62

The ACA explicitly stated who would not be covered zipplewrath Oct 2014 #65

You are wrong about that. There is no language in the ACA pnwmom Oct 2014 #68

Well, that's not exactly correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #70

Right. And this Ebola problem should make people rethink that. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #71

Very true ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #72

Yes, there is zipplewrath Oct 2014 #74

Please cite the language that you are talking about. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #79

You don't know how to use Google? zipplewrath Oct 2014 #82

So? It's still not the Dems fault that the Rethugs prevented the Medicaid expansion. pnwmom Oct 2014 #83

No zipplewrath Oct 2014 #85

No, there isn't. That's only the case for people who would fit into the Medicaid expansion. pnwmom Oct 2014 #86

Not according to Kaiser zipplewrath Oct 2014 #89

yes, the aca is health Insurance reform.... riversedge Oct 2014 #78

That isn't the fault of the ACA. It's the fault of your Rethug governor who turned down free Federal pnwmom Oct 2014 #80

yes, it is. Basically, our gov riversedge Oct 2014 #94

I'm projecting? Really? Why would I be projecting? I'm not the one who is misdirecting anger at the Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #41

I'm not a psychic zipplewrath Oct 2014 #47

LS isn't "projecting" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #49

Probably zipplewrath Oct 2014 #51

Nevermind, you keep doing ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #55

Have your victory lap zipplewrath Oct 2014 #61

Actually, (to extend the analogy) ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #67

I'm afraid you've wandered into pit road zipplewrath Oct 2014 #75

Liberal pundits, both, economists and policy folsk, disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #87

I don't have to zipplewrath Oct 2014 #91

Of course you don't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #93

It was in work prior to ACA zipplewrath Oct 2014 #100

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #112

All I'm saying zipplewrath Oct 2014 #113

You almost had me believing you were going to engage reasonably ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #114

Hey, you're the one that finished on a snark. zipplewrath Oct 2014 #115

You need to look up what the word PROJECTION means Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #97

half a dozen agree with you and I'm wrong zipplewrath Oct 2014 #106

Your post should be about how we will fix this in the future with Single Payer, rather than grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #76

I've made countless statements in the past Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #98

Thank you for this reply. CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #81

Wow Kber Oct 2014 #5

For various values of significant zipplewrath Oct 2014 #6

Your information is wrong. The CBO says that under the ACA, 20 million Americans pnwmom Oct 2014 #60

Different comparison zipplewrath Oct 2014 #64

Wrong. The link I provided compared the numbers this year to those of one year ago, not 2010. pnwmom Oct 2014 #69

Same difference zipplewrath Oct 2014 #73

You still haven't provided any link to support your claim. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #84

It was just in all the papers zipplewrath Oct 2014 #92

That article talks about rates 7 years ago. Nothing to do with the ACA. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #95

That was the original basis of comparison zipplewrath Oct 2014 #102

That's because that was the most recent statistic -- THEN. It makes no sense to compare pnwmom Oct 2014 #117

That's moving the goal posts zipplewrath Oct 2014 #118

And that is still the goal. But no one EVER (except you maybe) thought that was supposed to pnwmom Oct 2014 #120

No one was advertising that after year 1 it'd be only 2% decrease. zipplewrath Oct 2014 #123

It's a 23% decrease -- at least. This was written last April, pnwmom Oct 2014 #126

Again, you're moving the goal posts zipplewrath Oct 2014 #129

You've got things exactly backward. If you go back to when the ACA was first passed, pnwmom Oct 2014 #131

The numbers don't support that zipplewrath Oct 2014 #133

I have no idea what you're even saying now. "We are now at 13ish percent coverage." pnwmom Oct 2014 #134

It's from your own post zipplewrath Oct 2014 #135

"13 percent coverage" is the opposite of 13% uninsured. And the quote you cite pnwmom Oct 2014 #136

They asked zipplewrath Oct 2014 #109

How very sad you would do this. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #8

Then the OP shouldn't say send them to me if you hear someone criticize the ACA scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #10

It was a figure of speach strawberries Oct 2014 #11

So they dont' REALLY wanna hear? zipplewrath Oct 2014 #13

I understand that but it was a figure of speech you should have left out in your post. scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #16

Please do write the President.. of course he would care, strawberries. So glad for your son & fam! Cha Oct 2014 #37

Um, they ASKED zipplewrath Oct 2014 #12

'''If someone knows something about RCC please let me know.''' LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #19

I guess you missed this part zipplewrath Oct 2014 #20

geezus. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #22

Allah zipplewrath Oct 2014 #27

Jeezus. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #24

It has to start somewhere IronLionZion Oct 2014 #31

I wish there was evidence to support that zipplewrath Oct 2014 #45

Canada got single payer one province at a time IronLionZion Oct 2014 #88

Medicare has been around for 50 years zipplewrath Oct 2014 #90

Medicare has been around for 50 years IronLionZion Oct 2014 #96

Apparently it's a big leap zipplewrath Oct 2014 #101

Where did you get your made-up statistic that 50% of people who got "support from the exchanges" pnwmom Oct 2014 #56

From when ACA was passed zipplewrath Oct 2014 #108

Link, please. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #116

I've given you several zipplewrath Oct 2014 #119

No, you haven't, except to the one link with 2006-7 figures. And you're not giving me a link to pnwmom Oct 2014 #121

again zipplewrath Oct 2014 #124

This is a matter of simple logic. The subsidies are calculated and SET to be no more pnwmom Oct 2014 #125

So you don't have site zipplewrath Oct 2014 #132

How insensitive treestar Oct 2014 #103

Because they asked zipplewrath Oct 2014 #110

I can post anything at any time treestar Oct 2014 #128

So your entire point is about tone? zipplewrath Oct 2014 #130

I have a brother in NC who works 2 part time jobs but doesn't make enough income to get a scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #9

tell him to move to a blue state strawberries Oct 2014 #14

I'm done with you scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #17

alrighty then nt strawberries Oct 2014 #18

He/She should probably edit out that snark. It was uncalled for . Sorry your brother can't SammyWinstonJack Oct 2014 #15

That makes no sense. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #23

I'm in NC. $278 for a bronze plan? How many people are on the plan? Lex Oct 2014 #29

You get a subsidy scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #33

So he makes too much money per year to get a subsidy? Lex Oct 2014 #34

too little scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #35

Oh, so he would qualify for the medicaid expansion if the Republican Gov. hadn't blocked it. Lex Oct 2014 #38

Yep scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #40

And why do you think that is? You should direct him to this link. pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

Yeah, if they live in a red state and voted blue treestar Oct 2014 #107

Doesn't make enough to get a subsidy? treestar Oct 2014 #105

many friends with pre-existing conditions who are big ACA fans spanone Oct 2014 #21

I'm glad they they found that cancer before he had symptoms. pnwmom Oct 2014 #25

thank you thank you strawberries Oct 2014 #44

My personal story GummyBearz Oct 2014 #26

Welcome to DU. My bill went down by more than half. Deductible is half what it was. Lex Oct 2014 #30

Thanks GummyBearz Oct 2014 #36

Yes, it does suck that your employer didn't keep your current plan Lex Oct 2014 #39

my insurance went up too strawberries Oct 2014 #43

Your old policy had an annual and lifetime limit on benefits. Do you know what they were? pnwmom Oct 2014 #54

You don't know that! WillowTree Oct 2014 #63

BS treestar Oct 2014 #104

I am happy for you... Phentex Oct 2014 #32

I break it down into the fundamentals. No more do employees have to rely on the boss Rex Oct 2014 #42

This President has indeed saved many lives, and will save many more. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #66

Wait til we have single payer!!! grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #77

You mean by laying back and letting the GOP take the Senate? CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #122

No I mean by proposing it as often as the GOP proposes repealing Obamacare, instead of grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #127

Here I am. LWolf Oct 2014 #99

Duck zipplewrath Oct 2014 #111