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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 06:35 PM Oct 2014

Just opened my ballot. Will vote straight D. But I am not excited, not eager. [View all]

I know what the other options are on the ballot, and I am not going to screw myself and my state and country by voting for them. I am happy to be voting for Charlie Crist. I like him as a person, and I think he was a good governor in a time that was dominated by the rise of the Tea Party. They are now his worst enemy, and in no way will he cater to them.

I am seeing the harm being done to public education with both parties enthusiastically on board.

I am truly alarmed at clauses in the new trade deals (also strongly supported by both parties) that will harm everyone but the 1%.

What I am seeing happening now is the culmination of the efforts of one group to make the Democratic party only accountable to the wealthy. In their own words:

The words of Simon Rosenberg, a founder of the DLC in the late 80s made it clear they wanted to marginalize the usual party constituents.

Originally from an early 2000 article called How the DLC Does It.

"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."


They have definitely freed themselves from those restraints.

There was a great article in 1997 at Mother Jones. It told of how the views of the DLC were prominent. One of them was that moving to the right and pre-empting the positions of the right wing would help us win.

Democrats at the Crossroads

Two factions of Democrats with sharply divergent ideas are fighting to lead the party. Will they resolve their differences? Or will it be Republicans who cross Clinton's "bridge to the 21st century"?

The predominant analysis in the media echoes the New Democrat view that Clinton won by pre-empting the right on such issues as crime, welfare reform, and a balanced budget. "Every time Dole tried to get cracking on an issue," Al From pointed out at a post-election DLC press conference, "he couldn't do it because the president had, in a sense, beat him there."


That might be okay to take those positions while campaigning, but it's not okay for a party to keep those stances after they win.

After 1994, the Democrats understood the threat the Gingrichites posed, and they cooperated long enough to do remarkably well last November. Now the question is, can Democrats of different stripes manage their ongoing debates and learn to cooperate to build a new majority? Maybe. But only if the New Democrats temper their tendency to throw out all of the party's legacies in order to leap into an undefined world of "reinvented government" and market fixes. And only if the re-energized populists can reach out to popular constituencies beyond organized labor, and go beyond defense of public programs as they are, to fashion fresh solutions to problems of family security.

Populists may not like the "new ideas" of the Democratic Leadership Council. But they will have to come up with better prescriptions and political strategies of their own, not just more compelling descriptions of America's economic woes. CAF's Robert Borosage puts it in a way that could be a caution to his fellow populists as well as to the Democratic Party as a whole: "People will demand the basic protections they need to raise a family. Democrats will find answers -- or face decline."


In 2008 we were golden for a while. But it didn't last long. By the 2010 midterms we were again fighting the battle for the middle class, unions, the poor, needy and elderly.

Howard Dean's words at a conference right after the midterms struck at the very heart of it all. They were not popular, but they are still true today.

From the 2010 Washington Post:

Dean at progressive conference: Time for Democrats to 'behave like Democrats'

Dean, in a fiery speech Tuesday at the America's Future Now conference, gave voice to frustrations on the left that President Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress have not used their big majorities to pursue a more progressive agenda. "We are done with putting people in office who then forget who got them there," said Dean, a former Democratic National Committee chairman.

"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."

Dean echoed other progressive leaders who opened the conference Monday, expressing dismay, even anger, at the White House and Congress, saying they have been too timid and compromising on issues such as health care, the economy, climate change and banking reform.

Dean said the progressive base is critical to Democrats' electoral successes this fall and beyond. "If Washington understands that they can't do things that demoralize their base," Dean said, "then we'll have a permanent [Democratic] majority."


2014 is sounding a lot to me like 2010. Except now we are having to fight even harder.
As a retired teacher my heart aches when I see what they are doing to education and to career teachers like I used to be.

I can not wrap my head around the clauses in the trade agreements, especially the ones that allow other countries to sue us over laws we have that they do not like.

So, excited or not, I will vote for the Democrats on the ballot. I want it to be different, but our voices have not been enough to be heard.

When the DLC folded in 2011 and turned the policy shop over to the Third Way think tank, they claimed victory. They said they had done what they needed to do and had won. Hard to argue with them. They do not have to appeal to the ordinary everyday people, and they do not on many topics. Sometimes being better than the other party means you are not just plain crazy.


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Third Way took over, and that was all she wrote for the REAL Democrats. Now all we get are Corporate blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #1
Yes, I think so. madfloridian Oct 2014 #2
When we vote for the lesser of 2 evils, we STILL get EVIL... blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #4
And when we don't vote ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #5
Imagine President McCain and Sister Sarah running the nation. bravenak Oct 2014 #7
Thank got posting on the internet is relatively easy ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #26
Well, Barack IS a magic Negro.... bravenak Oct 2014 #29
On a bright note ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #37
Yeah, but.... bravenak Oct 2014 #39
Any suggestions on what to do, then? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #8
why not get involved in primaries ? just the fact that primaries outside of Pres elections JI7 Oct 2014 #16
Eh BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #23
well, why would you support such a party if you feel that way ? because i sure wouldn't JI7 Oct 2014 #25
Instead vote for....? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #30
i would try to get support for a third party or look to build up something else JI7 Oct 2014 #34
Then we are "splitters" BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #38
but why does that matter ? if you feel that strongly about it that sure shouldn't matter JI7 Oct 2014 #42
Well, it does BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #44
not in a runoff system like the chicago mayors race JI7 Oct 2014 #45
And it is for literally everything else, esp the highest levels of government? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #46
you can try to change the system to the same thing, but my point is JI7 Oct 2014 #48
yes BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #49
still doesn't address lack of involvement in runoff system JI7 Oct 2014 #50
It kind of does? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #52
things take time , and hard work JI7 Oct 2014 #53
Ok, granted. BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #54
there are no third parties i support, but if i felt about the democratic party JI7 Oct 2014 #55
Do what you have been doing every day of your life ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #31
ok? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #40
Step 1: Draft people that don't adhere to Austrian school of economics ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56
Fair enough BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #57
I'll offer two ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #58
Hm, alright BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #59
I do too ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60
Hm BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #61
Maybe because the right wing ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #63
when the results spin questionseverything Oct 2014 #93
You rebuild the progressive base from the state and local levels... elzenmahn Oct 2014 #64
Maybe BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #66
There is no hope for change pscot Oct 2014 #13
Ahhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #33
oh, come on now, there is no way you feel this way JI7 Oct 2014 #11
We need more guys like this guy ... Scuba Oct 2014 #3
New York gets the choice of a Republican endorsed governor or a total crackpot. adirondacker Oct 2014 #6
Which is one reason the 'enthusiasm gap' is overhyped. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #9
Yes, but wouldn't be a nice thing to be excited about it? madfloridian Oct 2014 #14
No! If you don't vote "enthusiastically" your ballot doesn't count gratuitous Oct 2014 #18
............. madfloridian Oct 2014 #20
i think people who feel the need to be excited about voting are usually non political types JI7 Oct 2014 #10
I'm very political BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #21
i'm not excited either, i'm talking about people who feel the need to be excited JI7 Oct 2014 #24
Probably because third parties are doomed here BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #28
well, Chicago Mayors race was runoff election which Rahm Emanuel ended up winning JI7 Oct 2014 #32
Uh... BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #36
i thought it was about electing more progressives to office JI7 Oct 2014 #41
Join the DFA? They can usually point you in the direction of good progressives to support even if Chathamization Oct 2014 #92
I remember that this moving right stage was done deliberately, done to leave out the majority madfloridian Oct 2014 #12
I was just thinking today it's been a while since someone regurgitated the formulaic ant-DLC post. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #15
Did I just make your day happy? madfloridian Oct 2014 #17
happy isn't the word. I think nostalgic is a better one wyldwolf Oct 2014 #19
In your heart you know what I say is true. madfloridian Oct 2014 #22
I do know you like saying it wyldwolf Oct 2014 #27
wouldn't it be wonderful to vote for something instead of only against something? Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #35
you'll never convince them Skittles Oct 2014 #51
Those 2 articles have needed to be repeated through the years. madfloridian Oct 2014 #94
keep spreading that unexcited and eagerlessness around. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #43
The poster has a point, though... elzenmahn Oct 2014 #68
You can't force excitement. But I will vote. madfloridian Oct 2014 #80
Good thing your voting straight Dem. bahrbearian Oct 2014 #47
.... madfloridian Oct 2014 #62
I'm so sorry for all of us that we have such a crappy system. We desperatly need a candidate that liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #65
An unenthusiastic vote Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2014 #67
only someone pro-tabby would admit to being this discouraged! MisterP Oct 2014 #69
As a Florida resident Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #70
Are you voting for the libertarian or for Scott? madfloridian Oct 2014 #71
Really a purity test? bahrbearian Oct 2014 #73
Not a purity test. Just common sense right now. madfloridian Oct 2014 #74
None of the above Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #90
Same here Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #72
And it shouldn't be that way madfloridian Oct 2014 #82
Instead of thinking about the Ds you are eager to vote for, think about what happens if you don't! DrewFlorida Oct 2014 #75
..... madfloridian Oct 2014 #81
as will I. But so many of the 70 million voters from 2008 have been turned off Doctor_J Oct 2014 #76
"running away from the liberals, then blames them for not voting." madfloridian Oct 2014 #77
So you punish the Democrats for being unprincipled...by not voting YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #78
I am sorry that the CA education has not taught you to read Doctor_J Oct 2014 #83
Similar, but slightly different for me davidpdx Oct 2014 #79
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #84
Don't be silly. madfloridian Oct 2014 #86
Does an eager, excited vote count for more than a not eager, not excited vote?...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #85
Votes are votes are votes... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #95
Great post, as usual, madflo! K&R! Kermitt Gribble Oct 2014 #87
IMO the main reason voters will turn out in FL is Amendment 2 madfloridian Oct 2014 #88
How can a country keep its identity with that trade deal clause in effect? It can't. madfloridian Oct 2014 #89
The opportunity to vote out pRick Scott, Yes for Medical Cannabis, & Yes on Amendment 1 NightWatcher Oct 2014 #91
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