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Bolo Boffin

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39. And there are many things that hand must take into account.

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:34 PM

Apr 2012

And a direct request from Congressional party leaders is something not lightly overruled.

The ultimate goal is ENDA, and the only way to get there is a Democratically-controlled Congress, and losing any members only delays ENDA another two years.

Bringing pressure on the vulnerable members, the Congressional leaders, and the President is definitely the way to get a limited EO. But I've heard a distinction in marital arguments between arguing to save the marriage and arguing to tear the other person down. And the way you seem to be going at it isn't arguing to save the relationship. That's something you may be quite fine with. But it's not likely to get you what you want anytime soon.

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If Democrats cannot support a limited Executive Order [View all] ruggerson Apr 2012 OP

courage and leadership are in short supply in the republican-lite party nt msongs Apr 2012 #1

You are seeing what you're seei.g because Occulus Apr 2012 #2

Wow. The whole national issue is caused by "several DUers"? That seems like an easy fix. saras Apr 2012 #3

Yeah, that is EXACTLY what I meant. Occulus Apr 2012 #4

congratulations, your post survived the challenge mitchtv Apr 2012 #6

The fact an alert was sent is proof of the truth of the post. Occulus Apr 2012 #7

Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #9

no it's not. that's absurd. cali Apr 2012 #13

why would someone alert on it? ruggerson Apr 2012 #14

'Zactly. Occulus Apr 2012 #15

More like they're indifferent. Marr Apr 2012 #37

they're trying to get support for Barney Frank's bill instead, to make the change permanent bigtree Apr 2012 #5

You apparently are not familiar with the history of ENDA ruggerson Apr 2012 #11

makes no sense bigtree Apr 2012 #22

While I think he does want to change it, I'm unconvinced an executive order would hurt it. joshcryer Apr 2012 #24

of course it's political bigtree Apr 2012 #28

Yes, I have no doubt had he had the Congress back he would deliver EDNA. No doubt. joshcryer Apr 2012 #38

I think, unfortunately, politics trumps courage for the President right now ruggerson Apr 2012 #30

I don't agree with making the WH (and Barack Obama's unilateral order) the issue in this election bigtree Apr 2012 #32

The ENDA has come up in Congress each session less one, since 1994 Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2012 #41

Congress is not going to be doing anything on ENDA for a long, long time ruggerson Apr 2012 #40

you do know that Johnson's executive order came AFTER passage of the Civil Rights Act? bigtree Apr 2012 #45

"now is not the time" Occulus Apr 2012 #12

remarkably similar to the attacks on supporters of LGBT rights during the DADT repeal debate bigtree Apr 2012 #23

While those are stupid arguments they don't mean someone is anti-gay. joshcryer Apr 2012 #25

well they could be both ruggerson Apr 2012 #31

True! joshcryer Apr 2012 #34

Can you outline how it could put a lid on the measure for good? joshcryer Apr 2012 #27

the issue would be framed as some battle against Obama and his unilateral action bigtree Apr 2012 #29

Executive orders are well within a Presidents right, across the board, no question. joshcryer Apr 2012 #35

Election calculations are their only concern, not what is right or wrong. mmonk Apr 2012 #8

"Recent years" being "all of the years since the last election." (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #10

More like "since 1994" Doctor_J Apr 2012 #16

Their calculations are way off Doctor_J Apr 2012 #17

I'm gonna agree with the Doctor, here. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #19

Same reason they're still letting the DOJ throw cancer grannies in prison for pot smoking Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #18

I'm not sure about the EO, but I do know that the public isn't crazy about EOs.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #20

My only pushback is the target of the push-forward. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #21

I agree. And this is why Democrats are weak. joshcryer Apr 2012 #26

Only one hand in America can sign that order. Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #33

And there are many things that hand must take into account. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #39

This is all a fantasia not a set of facts.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #42

This discussion moved from my thread to this one. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #43

Even if Obama wins re-election and we retake the House, I doubt ENDA survives a Repub filibuster LonePirate Apr 2012 #44