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44. How does catstrophic Democratic defeat weaken the left?

Fri Oct 10, 2014, 09:17 PM

Oct 2014

It seems that the opposite is true. Furthermore, it seems that the proposition that the left is strengthened by Democratic Party defeat is part of the misguided "strategy" that some people on the left cleave to. They believe that punishing the party will send a message and strengthen the left. It won't.

The Progressive Caucus has, or had, 64 members, I think. 62 Democrats and 2 independents.

They need support, not foolish boycotts or misguided "strategic" voting.

As much or as little influence they enjoy presently, when the Democratic Party is out of power they enjoy precisely NO power at all.

Progressive and leftist policy will come about when there's political support from the electorate. Serious anti-war progressives are a minority in the population and even within the party.

I think you win the hard way. One voter, one candidate, and one office at a time.

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So if the Democrats lose the senate. [View all] BlindTiresias Oct 2014 OP

GOTV!!! DocMac Oct 2014 #1

Not helpful and already understood. BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #3

This post isn't helpful. DocMac Oct 2014 #9

No, actually. BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #12

We have to vote. DocMac Oct 2014 #14

Lol yes!! YASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #15

Pay attention! DocMac Oct 2014 #19

Actually outbursts of the group zeitgeist communicate... HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #68

no it's not "m'kay" demwing Oct 2014 #69

How about Andy823 Oct 2014 #2

What do you mean? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #5

Enough with the doom and gloom already goddamnit. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #4

I'm not advocating sitting out, though? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #7

You certainly do not seem to advocate voting FOR Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #77

Still doing the elipsis attack eh? BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #85

are you still ASSUMING I am a male? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2014 #6

No way, many said this of Obama also but it is not true. Eight more years of the likes of Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #23

Well, a prolonged vacillation between Republicans and Democrats that govern like Republicans... Chan790 Oct 2014 #45

Prove your point of Hillary getting the approval of Wall Street. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #47

It would make me a Spaniard. Chan790 Oct 2014 #59

You may hate her, but she is not republican, her voting record does not fall with GOP. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #62

i'm definitely not sure why you hate her so much samsingh Oct 2014 #76

Perhaps your belief in political eschatology Trajan Oct 2014 #8

It was a hypothetical. BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #10

2016 should be a good year for us Motown_Johnny Oct 2014 #11

Yeah granted BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #13

hypotheticals rarely have a good answer Motown_Johnny Oct 2014 #17

Yeah, this is true BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #18

They really will deserve that treestar Oct 2014 #78

There will always be liberals in the party. Demographics are also on our side. We won't lose the craigmatic Oct 2014 #16

Not sure about the demographics FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #21

they'll either vote democrat or they won't at all. I would put money on that. craigmatic Oct 2014 #24

really hard to say, I think BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #26

You ever read the book the fourth turning? craigmatic Oct 2014 #27

yeah, I didn't particularly buy it BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #35

We have the samething we've had 30 years of conservatism. It's time for change. craigmatic Oct 2014 #61

Republican's can't cater to the youth. joshcryer Oct 2014 #31

Never say "can't" when it comes to political evolution BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #38

they certainly are stupid, look how they lost easy seats like Lugar and many others by nominating JI7 Oct 2014 #43

Historically speaking BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #50

what's a right wing austrian ? how is that different from right wing british or right wing french ? JI7 Oct 2014 #51

Austrian school economics BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #53

so how does it different from british, french and others ? JI7 Oct 2014 #54

Its called the "Austrian school" BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #55

The vice chair of the Fed is a Keynesian. joshcryer Oct 2014 #67

They're trying to do it with "libertarianism." joshcryer Oct 2014 #66

Sure they can, just the way Nixon won national elections while appealing to southerners Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #87

Google the term rising American electorate tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #56

Would never happen BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #57

The Obama adminstration has had their hands tied on getting his agenda passed because of the Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #20

True, but this was also the game plan during Clinton's 8 years, didn't let him get annominous Oct 2014 #33

Unless there are more Democrats elected to Congress and the numbers swing to have the Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #52

It takes a supermajority in both houses to override a presidential veto annominous Oct 2014 #64

Okay, a few this election, a few more next election and soon there will be a supermajority. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #75

My question is if we lose the senate is our side going Cleita Oct 2014 #22

yeah thank you BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #25

Senate Democrats are not going to filibuster legislation that can easily be stopped by Obama's veto JVS Oct 2014 #41

Jackasses, literally. Cleita Oct 2014 #42

Legislation is already irrelevant. The issue is nominations. Jim Lane Oct 2014 #65

polls say MFM008 Oct 2014 #28

Hahahahahahaha giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #32

your concern is duly noted. mopinko Oct 2014 #29

Oh, sure, blame the Party for everything, why don't you? AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #30

What are you trying to say here? hrmjustin Oct 2014 #34

Essentially BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #36

If we lose the elections this year there will be plenty of blame to go a round in the... hrmjustin Oct 2014 #39

you confuse leftisits with attention whores JI7 Oct 2014 #49

Realistically we have four voting blocks in this country. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #37

That will only happen if we achieve something like Cleita Oct 2014 #40

How does catstrophic Democratic defeat weaken the left? cheapdate Oct 2014 #44

what is with this strange need to feel like a martyr JI7 Oct 2014 #46

Truth be told look ahead to 2016 tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #48

Mike Huckabee is a do nothing former governor and political commentator. Calista241 Oct 2014 #71

I agree with you about Akin and the like tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #82

Haven't you heard the Progressives will head into the breech... Historic NY Oct 2014 #58

Flamebait IMO rufus dog Oct 2014 #60

Can't speak for the do nothing Congress, but really I think we get by with both House and Senate. Rex Oct 2014 #63

Any election has 5 possible outcomes demwing Oct 2014 #70

GOTVGuide bigwillq Oct 2014 #72

We won't Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #73

Let me know when people figure out mmonk Oct 2014 #74

Democrats wont lose the Senate majority and as for INdemo Oct 2014 #79

Howard Dean also ran a lot of blue dogs tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #83

Howard Dean "ran" people? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #86

But at least Howard Dean was activly working to get Democrats elected INdemo Oct 2014 #89

Calls for GOTV are NEVER meaningless noise! MineralMan Oct 2014 #80

2016 is setup for a Republican bloodbath in the Senate... JCMach1 Oct 2014 #81

Democrats haven't lost the Senate, yet Aerows Oct 2014 #84