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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
87. If any of you "experts" wants the plan of somebody who has done the job
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:28 AM
Oct 2014

Fix LE pay. In most places a rookie cop starts out just barely making enough to get by and they have to work side jobs to really make it. Much like teachers, if you want hire good people and keep them you have to pay them properly. You want more, pay more. You want officers to take more risk? Pay accordingly.

This also comes into the realm of residency requirements I have seen some suggest here. Yeah, you can try and have them- but that works both ways. That means officers in Beverly Hills will have to be paid enough to actually live there too- and what that will lead to is a system where new rookie officers all go work in low income areas, but as soon as they have a few years under thier belt keep apply to more well off areas that have to pay more due to residency requirements. Then you end up with good, experienced officers working in affulent areas, poor areas get rookies and the ones who can't get hired on anywhere else.

Support real due process rights for all officers- full union representation and backing. Cops are workers just like anyone else and deserve full labor protections- to deny that to ANY worker is very anti-progressive. A cop who knows he/she has a strong union will feel a lot more free to speak out about abuse and criticize superiors when they are wrong.

Eliminating pensions and putting cops on 401k type programs. I know in most cases this is a bad thing, but a pension in LE had a bad side. I saw a lot of cops who were totally burned out and just didn't care anymore. But they had 18-20-22 years in and were just doing the bare minimum to survive the next few years it would take to be fully vested in the pension and retire. If they had a retirement plan that allowed them to switch careers at any point without loss with no "end date" they had to work to they would have left the profession when they burned out.

Eliminate 12 hour shifts- 12 hour shifts wear down judgement and reasoning toward the end of the shift.

Eliminate odd swing shift schedules- this is bad because officers work tired often, but also because it leads to isolation- when the only people you know who are off when you are off are cops, that is all you hang out with and it ends up isolating them.

Quit bashing all cops- look around at the blatant and bigot attitude toward cops in this forum. How many cops come across this forum, read that crap, and get turned away from progressive politics? More than you think. It leads to more alienation from yen community and helps foster the "us vs them" mentality.

Quit asking cops you do know to fix a ticket or run somebody's license or other stuff like that. It's illegal, puts them in an akward spot and leads once again to cops just hanging out with cops and isolating themselves.

Establish a VA type system of pension and health care for those injured on the job. Every time a use of force incident happens people on here call the cops cowards and assert that the cops shoild have been more willing to accept risk of death or injury to avoid harming the individual they were dealing with. If you want that and want cops to take more risk you need a system that will take good care of them if they get injured and can't work the job anymore- tossing them out on Social Security Disability is the only plan most PD's have, and that doesn't cut it.

Quit rushing to conclusions every time some incident happens. There are lots of bad people out there, not every officer involved shootibg is a racist murderer on a rampage. Give it at least 48 hours to play out before pronouncing judgement based on a few sensational media accounts. Saying "racist pigs murdered another" 5 minutes after an initial report just shows your own bigotry and once agains serves to alienate all other cops from you and your cause.

Quit lying or exaggerating about cops actions. Take the recent case a Salisbury NC- the NAACP held a press conference accusing local police of harassing a local minister a year prior- saying the officer was aggressive and racially profiled him. The video was produced and the officer was nothing but polite and professional. How do you think that affected relations between the NAACP, other minority leaders, and officers of that department?

Before screaming all over about how a cop should have "shot him in the leg" or "used a taser instead of a gun" try gaining a little experince in the use of those items to see if your screams are realistic.

Don't hire anyone under 25 for LE- give them enough years as an adult to get experience in the "real world" but also to see what mistakes they make and if they keep a clean background until then.

I have plenty more for when I am at a computer- this was a lot to type on a phone.

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Remove some of the "immunity" they work under. SQUEE Oct 2014 #1
Start at square one azureblue Oct 2014 #50
Unfortunately, many of those 'bad cops' are now in management! mrdmk Oct 2014 #73
Defund Police Pensions until the shit stops FreakinDJ Oct 2014 #129
All due respect, but what would a 'national commission' accomplish? I think one KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #2
At best, a national commission would: Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #3
Making them feel the financial christx30 Oct 2014 #53
They'd still launder the costs off to the taxpayers. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #104
So the next step is christx30 Oct 2014 #108
Union busting is decidedly anti-progressive Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #112
Cops arent workers, they re the brutish attack dogs of the 1%. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #114
Your hatred of cops is blinding you. GGJohn Oct 2014 #117
It's almost as if the Kerner Commission never happened, isn't it? I feel the vast majority KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #70
That used to be a thing. Remember "Earn your bread where you lay your head" logosoco Oct 2014 #42
don't cops need criminal justice degrees these days? redruddyred Oct 2014 #48
I don't know. I hate this - it tears me up. If it keeps up they may end up being the targets jwirr Oct 2014 #4
This list is a start - from Drugwarrant.com iscooterliberally Oct 2014 #65
I read through it and this is exactly what needs to be seen by all Americans. jwirr Oct 2014 #67
Especially the ones who think they are safe. iscooterliberally Oct 2014 #68
Need complete separation from prosecutors office Uben Oct 2014 #5
hadn't thought about that NJCher Oct 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Uben Oct 2014 #59
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You must be white. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #7
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surely you jest NJCher Oct 2014 #10
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You probably won't be until it happens to you damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #15
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Yeah damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #19
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Asshole thug? damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #21
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Icecube has left the building. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #25
May I take this opportunity to express my gratitude to MIRT!!! etherealtruth Oct 2014 #27
Doesn't deserve pizza ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #30
"Thug" implies some degree of toughness. I don't think this troll has an ounce of courage. arcane1 Oct 2014 #32
Hopefully to find his brain damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #36
Or heart. Or nerve. christx30 Oct 2014 #55
Icecube has gone off to find a job arcane1 Oct 2014 #29
Anything could happen scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #22
I think the point is that all too often Skittles Oct 2014 #26
Don't you SEE, Skittles?? It's your coworker's fault that some black people commit crimes. arcane1 Oct 2014 #31
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Just. Give. Up. uppityperson Oct 2014 #43
Please tell your coworker about the locking mechanism on newer cars. PADemD Oct 2014 #63
I cross a six lane road weekly and have never heard that Skittles Oct 2014 #72
So it's OK for cops to ignore civil rights of peaceful protestors csziggy Oct 2014 #35
Killing Black Teens Is Admirable? otohara Oct 2014 #13
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He's probably a psycho ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #33
Its an opinion etherealtruth Oct 2014 #18
Stop militarizing them. Which means taking on corporate politicians. woo me with science Oct 2014 #11
Thanks for your efforts to research this and bring some facts to bear. Scuba Oct 2014 #34
I don't think this is too much of a jump redruddyred Oct 2014 #49
For starters, Aristus Oct 2014 #17
More "civilian"/ community oversight etherealtruth Oct 2014 #24
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Are you using ferguson as an example etherealtruth Oct 2014 #45
Real psychological screening get the red out Oct 2014 #28
My state requires a psych on every hire yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #78
Brutal, violent cops and the police departments and Blue Wall of Silence... DrewFlorida Oct 2014 #37
"What else can be done?" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #40
Incest is against the law. In most states it's a felony. MineralMan Oct 2014 #41
Yes, but the problem is they aren't. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #51
How many liberals / progressives do YOU personally know... MicaelS Oct 2014 #44
This is an exceedingly gnarly problem 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #46
Its very depressing. stevenleser Oct 2014 #47
If you think its only a cop problem you're wrong. the_sly_pig Oct 2014 #52
I have taken several thousand calls in my career and ur right yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #80
What possible solutions have emerged on this thread? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #54
And fuck it. It's Friday afternoon in Northern California. I'm going to look at ocean. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #56
*1000 blackspade Oct 2014 #61
Cameras on all cops. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #57
An obvious and great idea etherealtruth Oct 2014 #89
Cameras on every cop is a start. Turn it off on duty and you're fired. Period. TeamPooka Oct 2014 #58
Nothing will come from the DEM Establishment. They are too scared of everything, or are PAID to be blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #60
Dashboard cameras on all our vehicles for starters malaise Oct 2014 #62
Politicians wanted to get tough on crime, but tough isn't really smart. iscooterliberally Oct 2014 #64
Beer summit!!! grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #66
COPS ARE OUTTA OF CONTROL!! star14 Oct 2014 #69
Make it illegal for cops to lie to citizens. joshcryer Oct 2014 #71
okkkkk DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #76
Lies are manipulative. joshcryer Oct 2014 #83
True, but that does not solve the problem DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #127
Most of those cases were actually thrown out. joshcryer Oct 2014 #128
Get these motherfucking cops out of this motherfucking country!!! Initech Oct 2014 #74
Several things: ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #75
I agree with 3 out of 6. GGJohn Oct 2014 #82
The prosecution would still have to prove tje officer killed the guy. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #86
You have turned our justice system on its head. former9thward Oct 2014 #118
Instant result Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #84
I wouldnt put on a badge because im not an authoritarian asshole. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #85
You don't have a clue Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #88
Of course, would suck for the cops to be accountable and not be able to just bully/murder black ppl ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #90
Ohh, another irrational statement Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #91
Police in Britain do just fine without those things. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #92
Police in Britain don't have to deal with a citizenry that have a right to own firearms, GGJohn Oct 2014 #94
No it wouldnt. Cops would just havw to, y'know, treat ppl with RESPECT. nt ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #95
You really have no idea do you? GGJohn Oct 2014 #97
"Anti-cop bigots" I've seen it all now. JoeyT Oct 2014 #119
Replace "cop" with "Muslim" in your statement Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #123
Replace potato salad in yours and see how it makes a delicious picnic. JoeyT Oct 2014 #124
Have them serve in Massachusetts for a while MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #77
Read your local news- it does happen in Mass. yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #81
Not totally unjustified pipi_k Oct 2014 #106
There are a couple of unarmed people killed by police in Mass- read the article yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #120
There already is a national commission yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #79
If any of you "experts" wants the plan of somebody who has done the job Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #87
Now it all makes sense why you always stick up for the 5-0. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #93
Cops need less legal protection? GGJohn Oct 2014 #96
It's a decidedly un-progressive position Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #99
+100. GGJohn Oct 2014 #101
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #109
Nice getting it totally wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #116
Cops get plenty of due process, but teachers dont get a "Blue Wall of Silence" ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #107
Funny post for somebody with the name NNjustice Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #111
So somehow police unions are different than all the rest? Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #98
I love his suggestion of disarming the patrol cops GGJohn Oct 2014 #100
I have never pipi_k Oct 2014 #105
I fully agree on cameras Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #110
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Well said Egnever Oct 2014 #125
Echoing an above poster - sibelian Oct 2014 #113
in every county jobendorfer Oct 2014 #115
Police Attitudes Beowulf42 Oct 2014 #121
with or without the sarcasm thingy? jeepers Oct 2014 #122
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