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64. They are pummeled from all sides

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 01:47 PM

Oct 2014

They are pummeled by bigots because they are the most visible symbols of Islam when living outside Islamic countries. They are the most visible because they are forced to dress a certain way by their religion.

They are also forced to undergo female circumcision within their communities, where their clitoris is removed.

These things are not mutually exclusive, then are pummeled from all sides, from within and from outside their religion. Why this upsets you so much is beyond me. It is all tied together. To put these things into proper context, you must be willing to hear all sides. Why don't you just acknowledge these obvious facts and move on rather than taking it personally and turning it into a dramatic pissing contest?

Reacting to the reaction = Drama, IMHO.

Just my two cents.

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Women bear brunt of Islamophobia [View all] Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 OP

women also bear the brunt of Islam... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #1

The article's about Islamophobia in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #2

and yet my point stands... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #4

You don't have a point... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #5

nope... i ignored nothing ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #6

You haven't said anything about the Islamophobia aimed at women in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #7

ok... let's try this again ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #8

No, yr still not talking about it... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #10

Islamophobia is the biggest problem CJCRANE Oct 2014 #11

no... it's not... but keep on believing that... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #12

Okay, what do you think is the biggest problem Australian Muslim women face as Muslims? Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #13

that they are mired in a religion that treats them as worse than chattel... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #15

I'm pretty sure Australian Muslim women would disagree with you Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #19

They are pummeled from all sides AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #64

I dunno. Maybe you should try reading the OP I posted. It was about Islamophobia in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #102

I did read it AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #108

So you just don't want to talk about the attacks on those women. Okay... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #110

Do you know any Australian muslim women? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #35

yes... do you? ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #36

No but I think being attacked by racists CJCRANE Oct 2014 #39

once again... bigots... not racists. ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #43

I have worked with them for years AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #66

I understand what you are saying. xxqqqzme Oct 2014 #50

You are disingenuously narrowing the topic almost to the point of parody. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #87

The topic was Islamophobic attacks in Australia... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #103

I don't remember seeing leftynyc Oct 2014 #121

Perhaps you think they'd have it better in Muslim countries? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #85

you're right - the bigger problem women under islam face is being killed by relatives samsingh Oct 2014 #27

So beating up muslim women by racists is okay CJCRANE Oct 2014 #38

they're not racists... they're bigots... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #41

Islam is a set of beliefs. Race and sexual orientation are a matter of nature. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #49

it's not okay. i'm not dehumanizing them. but i'm not going to ignore the reality samsingh Oct 2014 #54

Fair enough CJCRANE Oct 2014 #56

we never should have supported the likes of saddam samsingh Oct 2014 #57

He was a bad guy but he kept a lid on the fundies. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #59

What we should not have done is attack him. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #89

Why are you trying to control AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #63

Huh? Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #104

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #3

Agreed. Misogyny is rampant in most religions. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #14

indeed... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #16

I detest all religions. To me they all suspend arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #75

Nailed it. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #119

this is an excellent point. cali Oct 2014 #9

Yep, that sucks. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #17

this ^ PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #18

This ^^^^ Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #20

Australia isn't a Muslim country, though n/t Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #21

Yep, that's why they don't face... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #22

Well the ops about attacks by bigots on Australian women Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #24

I don't think anyone is justifying ridicule or cruelty, only pointing out the fact that if one is PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #29

thank you... well said n/t ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #33

They are the most visible targets of Islam AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #68

I think minimising it would be a better way of putting it... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #105

I think that the title of this piece invites discussion on the treatment of women *within* Islam PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #115

i can't forget the innocent girls being stoned to death for talking to a male in Pakistan or Afgan samsingh Oct 2014 #31

I've believed Islam is a religion of Peace... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #113

at one point i thought all religions had merit, wanted the same thing, and were equal samsingh Oct 2014 #118

"Outrage by the believers of peace" ? Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #120

and also notice that many of the believers don't subscribe to violence samsingh Oct 2014 #122

The juxtaposition is valid. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #32

And what is portrayed in this article edhopper Oct 2014 #44

"... they really bear the brunt of Islam." Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #62

All too true. randome Oct 2014 #46

I think the bigger issue is that neocons CJCRANE Oct 2014 #52

on this you and i agree ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #55

Indeed. nt Crabby Appleton Oct 2014 #23

you are right samsingh Oct 2014 #30

Yep. hifiguy Oct 2014 #65

In general men don't get attacked in a crowd arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #71

So... a lot of things that happen in the Christian parts of Africa, too. bobclark86 Oct 2014 #80

True. But it's always easier to blame stuff on the other guy's religion. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #82

I'm an atheist. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #91

True, but I'm a nonbeliever myself, and my first reaction to the OP was to feel sympathy nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #93

That's why it's nice to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #94

So long as the latter isn't used to downplay the former, I agree. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #95

And? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #90

Good to see places like... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #98

That anti-liberal hateful violent misogynist list Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #114

Weird. Maybe they are more identifiable than the men treestar Oct 2014 #25

Yeah I suspect that'd be it Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #26

Is there much anti-immigrant sentiment in Australia? treestar Oct 2014 #28

Tony Abbot is a neocon from what I can tell. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #45

Historically, Australia has been very racist in their immigration quotas. KitSileya Oct 2014 #47

Yes, it's pretty rampant... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #106

I'm continually astounded these days Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #34

and which sentiment in this thread is outright RW, pray-tell... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #37

You're one of many that I have on "manual ignore". Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #40

ah, facts are a problem for you then... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #42

Yours, silly. Every fucking one of them. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #60

yeah, pointing out the atrocities carried out by countries ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #61

As a method of deflecting from the abuse Muslim women face in Australia? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #78

what the fuck are you talking about ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #81

Pay attention to your posts Scootaloo Oct 2014 #83

i know exactly what i posted and not once was there any sort of justification ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #84

I read exactly what you posted Scootaloo Oct 2014 #86

Pointing out the plight edhopper Oct 2014 #48

Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #53

BRAVO!!! hifiguy Oct 2014 #69

Except when all you know about someone is that htey are Muslim... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #79

get a grip. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #96

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a ridiculous simplistic notion. And wrong. PeaceNikki Oct 2014 #58

The bigotry is pretty disgusting. People respond to an article about the victims of anti-Muslim Chathamization Oct 2014 #72

It's just like if someone were to post about antisemitic attacks in a Western country Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #97

You got one part right. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #107

Lol. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #116

I don't have the links, but I *do* recall hearing here that no woman could possibly *choose* MisterP Oct 2014 #73

This isn't just a problem for the Muslim women, it is a problem for Australia. KitSileya Oct 2014 #51

Agreed, thanks for the article. K&R closeupready Oct 2014 #67

WTF? Who does this sort of thing? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #70

Who does that sort of thing? arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #76

Meaningless insult. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #77

Wrong, going after women is cowardice. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #100

it is very disturbing behavior Skittles Oct 2014 #101

Here's an article about Australia's intense wave of anti gay attacks, 1985-1999. At least 50 dead. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #74

I've read about that before. Really horrific stuff. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #92

Thanks for posting that article... Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #109

They really do get it from all sides, so to speak. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #88

in the US it's Sikh Men JI7 Oct 2014 #99

The fearmongering about ISIS was bound to bring out reactionaries... countryjake Oct 2014 #111

I've yet to meet an Islamic woman that did not possess daggers in their tongue. alphafemale Oct 2014 #112

yes, which is why i dont believe islamaphobia comes from a desire to protect muslim women La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #117