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106. also, i have no idea where this detergent thing came from.

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 02:27 PM

Oct 2014

my big barrels are actually salvaged food containers. the panera bakery here sells them for $10 dollars a piece. i cut them all in 2, some in half, some in thirds.

the first year i had no good soil to plant in. i had to buy dirt. i guess if you can truck in soil, or buy it in bags, it's all good. if you want to use a recognized organic farming method, that is just a pile of debris.

i had no desire to acquire top soil that is disappearing at an alarming rate when i could build raised beds that would stay lush and fertile for a generation. some day i will have to calculate the carbon footprint of this thing. starting with the 50 or so half ton and larger trucks that didnt have to travel 75-200 miles round trip, and pay exorbitant tipping fees.
and at the end of that road, the stuff is chipped and open composted. the methane is released within a year or so, whereas i have it pretty well sequestered.

but, just a pile of debris. yielding 200 lbs of heirloom tomatoes. and a gallon of raspberries. and that is just one of 3 beds. the others wont go into production until full next year. but one has already yielded 15 lb of winecap mushrooms, which are helping to break down the wood. quite a few wild mushrooms are sprouting all over the lot.

yeah, i guess they should throw the book at me.

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meanwhile in the real world. [View all] mopinko Oct 2014 OP

don't be sad questionseverything Oct 2014 #1

Plants that we call weeds are prolific and often choke out other plants that we find more desirable. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #3

several of the cites were about weeds. mopinko Oct 2014 #4

why is there random junk and debris strewn on that lot? CreekDog Oct 2014 #6

If only you knew what you're talking about, this person and her project and growing things. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #39

it's shown in a local news article CreekDog Oct 2014 #50

In typical fashion, you fail on every single counter point CreekDog and you have no business griping NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #52

First: No, not all areas in Chicago drain to the combined system CreekDog Oct 2014 #57

Pure speculation and posturing. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #62

this is your defense of her? that it's ok for chicken crap to runoff because... CreekDog Oct 2014 #63

You're arguing with Cousin Eddie. LexVegas Oct 2014 #64

ah. CreekDog Oct 2014 #81

Oh shit! NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #122

Fish poop in Lake Michigan, birds do too!!!! NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #75

so it's "nature" if chicken poop ends up in Lake Michigan? CreekDog Oct 2014 #80

Yes, squirrels, too. And, human poop goes there too. What's your beef with chicken? NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #88

you're saying that chickens in a pen are wildlife, comparable to migrating birds? CreekDog Oct 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #121

did you tell them that runoff from chicken manure was no big deal if it went into the storm drains? CreekDog Oct 2014 #146

Let me ask my friends who know for certain and get back to you. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #150

if you aren't 100% sure that you would never say that, you should stop giving speeches CreekDog Oct 2014 #153

I'm 100% sure, I just thought you'd want some backup. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #155

I'm deleting the post above as it may have shared too much personal information. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #151

ty for sticking up for urban gardeners questionseverything Oct 2014 #79

do you use manure to fertilize crops in your "urban garden"? CreekDog Oct 2014 #83

You're welcome, me too! And chicken manure is really beneficial. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #109

in my opionion questionseverything Oct 2014 #118

i didn't ask whether chicken manure would benefit one's garden, i asked about runoff CreekDog Oct 2014 #147

The ecosystem would be unhealthy without it. California 4th grade standard. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #149

you're saying runoff from chicken manure is making Lake Michigan *healthier*??? CreekDog Oct 2014 #152

Well there you go again, putting words in my mouth. It's like you're arguing with yourself. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #154

I have THREE overturned buckets! cwydro Oct 2014 #159

<smiles> questionseverything Oct 2014 #169

I have a lot of land left to me from my dad cwydro Oct 2014 #110

I wonder sometimes.... NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #113

that's funny. in our interactions here, you were the one that responded to me, and not pleasantly CreekDog Oct 2014 #148

It's neither random nor debris, and "strewn" is a bit subjective. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #219

Been to many farms and worked on a couple CreekDog Oct 2014 #231

You're a entertaining person, CreekDog. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #233

Were the code violations for allowing them to go to seed or something else? Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #8

it is contained w logs. mopinko Oct 2014 #13

folks with ur attitude is why the questionseverything Oct 2014 #66

You might want to spread that manure some place else. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #74

then u should be on mo's side questionseverything Oct 2014 #84

Nope, you'd lose. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #85

i dont spread manure. mopinko Oct 2014 #89

I didn't say that you did, mo. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #94

that is the whole point of deep litter. mopinko Oct 2014 #224

seriously questionseverything Oct 2014 #92

indeed. mopinko Oct 2014 #96

You didn't specify *native plants* in that post, just flowering weeds Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #107

when i say flowering plants, i mean those that i find covered in bees. mopinko Oct 2014 #112

u should write a book questionseverything Oct 2014 #135

thanks for that. mopinko Oct 2014 #137

one of my fav weeds questionseverything Oct 2014 #142

i was reaching out to a fellow du-er questionseverything Oct 2014 #140

yea, amazed i'm reading some of these responses on a liberal board nt cwydro Oct 2014 #158

you mean responses that are against pollution and against animal cruelty CreekDog Oct 2014 #174

To an educated and enlightened person, there is no pollution here, no cruelty. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #177

the OP owns one of the structures that you say is less environmentally benign CreekDog Oct 2014 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #182

what do you do to keep 100% of your fertilizer (chicken manure) out of city storm drains? CreekDog Oct 2014 #2

It's very very rare that any run off goes into storm drains. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #53

actually you're guessing this, you don't know it CreekDog Oct 2014 #58

Soil percitation rate, slope, composition, and types of cover impact runoff. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #59

I think you're doing a great thing. Keep it up. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #5

thx mopinko Oct 2014 #27

Keeping chickens in an abandoned junker is cruel. LexVegas Oct 2014 #7

^This. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #9

it isnt an abandoned junker. it is an extensively retrofitted steel coop. mopinko Oct 2014 #14

is the engine still in it? CreekDog Oct 2014 #20

What about the bird who became entrapped? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #29

nah, it is an old time practice all over the world Kali Oct 2014 #30

i didnt invent it, that's for sure. mopinko Oct 2014 #46

some great ones here! Kali Oct 2014 #76

and ya know, i have a couple store bought small coops. mopinko Oct 2014 #90

No, it's not. cwydro Oct 2014 #163

That's a sound idea. Raccoons and other critters are persistent. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #175

most of the chicken keepers i know have lost birds to predators. mopinko Oct 2014 #221

The "before" pictures on Google Earth look much nicer, it was an empty but well-tended lot. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #10

+1 CreekDog Oct 2014 #11

except that everything you just said is a lie. mopinko Oct 2014 #15

the street view photos actually show the difference before and after CreekDog Oct 2014 #18

From space? Its from the street. LexVegas Oct 2014 #24

Google shows the before and after from the street. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #28

results Go Vols Oct 2014 #40

I have no idea if this is a case of stalking or not, but I will NEVER understand people Number23 Oct 2014 #235

There are rats in every city. cwydro Oct 2014 #166

This is such a noble cause and one that is close to my heart JaneyVee Oct 2014 #12

that's wonderful. mopinko Oct 2014 #17

yes, about that nitrogen, *where* is it going? CreekDog Oct 2014 #19

this is how you respond to even gentle criticism and/or advice CreekDog Oct 2014 #16

I sent the jury results on your post. Autumn Oct 2014 #32

thank you. CreekDog Oct 2014 #37

Is this you? Rex Oct 2014 #21

that's me. mopinko Oct 2014 #22

Sounds like they are harrassing you imo. Rex Oct 2014 #23

ya know, the reason i am so pissed about this is that i know others who have had this happen. mopinko Oct 2014 #25

link to city complaints mopinko Oct 2014 #26

most urbanites have no clue about nature, much less agriculture Kali Oct 2014 #31

thanks. yes, the swarm. mopinko Oct 2014 #33

pissing and moaning about manure? CreekDog Oct 2014 #36

Junker cars, piles of junk, rusty Bobcats and trucks on the street... LexVegas Oct 2014 #47

... Kali Oct 2014 #60

please try to keep up, we're talking about runoff CreekDog Oct 2014 #61

is there any? Kali Oct 2014 #67

you make it sound like runoff needs to be proven CreekDog Oct 2014 #69

pretty funny that you brought up logic Kali Oct 2014 #82

Well you and I both know that runoff is not a "natural occurrence"; it may or may not happen. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #204

Yes, there is an accusation of animal cruelty in the thread. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #42

you dont say. i guess i have all the right people on ignore. mopinko Oct 2014 #45

actually you put everyone who asks you questions on ignore CreekDog Oct 2014 #49

It's not an either or situation, you know. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #56

I call it the Disney effect. Kali Oct 2014 #86

Also, apparently, it's wrong to re-use detergent containers or have a leaning wooden chair outside. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #91

wow, you're saying the containers are being used? CreekDog Oct 2014 #100

regarding my cleo. mopinko Oct 2014 #102

also, i have no idea where this detergent thing came from. mopinko Oct 2014 #106

Kali logic: criticism of mopinko's farm from urbanites is wrong because they're urbanites CreekDog Oct 2014 #51

creekdog: keep posting over and over and over the same thing that you have been corrected about. Kali Oct 2014 #65

well you were the one that said urbanites were ignorant of farming practices CreekDog Oct 2014 #70

Is that part of the page before or after the "Rooseter Pelts" album? LexVegas Oct 2014 #73

I am not sure. Kali Oct 2014 #78

This urbanite and backyard gardener knows that code violations happen Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #68

I agree there are issues with codes in urban areas Kali Oct 2014 #104

actually, the bit about the fall and fire risk mopinko Oct 2014 #119

It's bone dry here for six months every year. Fire risk is a big deal. n/t Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #125

we are a little touchy about fire here. mopinko Oct 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Oct 2014 #173

Your hideous junk car/coop is dangerous and deadly (quoting your "farm" facebook page below) LeftyMom Oct 2014 #34

Utter bullshit. You never lived on a farm, I'm guessing. I grew up on one. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #41

Chickens tend to attack each other when kept in overcrowded or otherwise poor conditions. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #43

Exactly. Birds given enough square footage of housing are happy and do not attack others. LexVegas Oct 2014 #48

People make chicken coops out of a lot of different things. Trucks, cars, campers Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #72

way cool questionseverything Oct 2014 #87

and most cities have rules against abandoned vehicles CreekDog Oct 2014 #161

I hesitate to weigh in on this one sweetapogee Oct 2014 #172

Did you say runoff and the EPA? NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #176

to be clear sweetapogee Oct 2014 #183

Those three letter agencies are often not firing on all 8 cylinders. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #201

mo has posted several times about how she is working with the city questionseverything Oct 2014 #185

the only thing I have to say about the whole mess is sweetapogee Oct 2014 #186

on that we can agree questionseverything Oct 2014 #226

Is the city citing her for that? I don't think so. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #192

Truth is that this garden has multiple benefits, no down sides. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #194

Yep. No down sides. I am blown away by the negativity. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #198

Not all the complaints are against the garden, but most are bogus and subjective harrassment. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #200

so someone has to live on a farm to have a valid thing to say about animal cruelty? CreekDog Oct 2014 #98

so you're saying that unless one grew up or lives on a farm, they can't be correct? CreekDog Oct 2014 #157

It's becoming clear to me that to you, any opinion will do sibelian Oct 2014 #95

Oh, what over the top over reaction. A chicken died in an accident. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #105

link to complaints and tonights news story. mopinko Oct 2014 #35

I'm so sorry to hear about this, Mo. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #38

thanks. i do love it. mopinko Oct 2014 #44

+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #54

It can unfortunately be just one or two people complaining and then the inspectors seeing revenue lunasun Oct 2014 #55

having kids visit the farm is one of my favorite things. mopinko Oct 2014 #93

"kids from the local shit high school." what??? CreekDog Oct 2014 #101

Yeah. What about it, CreekDog? NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #136

why didn't you challenge her for that assertion? CreekDog Oct 2014 #145

Thank you for working with kids, mopinko. It makes your garden that much more valuable. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #133

you have a point, she cares so much she tried to get her tenant to change her kids' school CreekDog Oct 2014 #156

So what? Less time in the car is more time and money for family. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #165

I know you. H2O Man Oct 2014 #71

thank you. i am proud to have you count me as a friend. mopinko Oct 2014 #99

Good luck to you, Mo. I liked you on Facebook. I hope you get the support that you need. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #77

i am actually, totally bowled over by the support. mopinko Oct 2014 #108

The internet attracts a lot of people for whom any opinion will do sibelian Oct 2014 #103

i am completely ignoring them. mopinko Oct 2014 #115

Most welcome and good on you for making the effort to walk the walk. sibelian Oct 2014 #117

Mopinko cwydro Oct 2014 #111

i am doing me very best. mopinko Oct 2014 #126

Food webs. It's a fouth grade science standard. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #128

maybe i can get the city council to return to 4th grade. mopinko Oct 2014 #131

The other thread DU'ers were supportive but unless someone offers you blind KittyWampus Oct 2014 #114

plonk mopinko Oct 2014 #120

funny, mopinko supported code enforcement when it was against other people CreekDog Oct 2014 #184

I have no idea whether there is any validity to the city's citations/ accusations or not ... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #116

i have had some great volunteers this year. mopinko Oct 2014 #124

Good luck! etherealtruth Oct 2014 #127

there is already a movement to change the ordinance. mopinko Oct 2014 #129

We haven't lost our minds. The fact you resort to pure nastiness when anyone even remotely counters KittyWampus Oct 2014 #134

This whole thing happened because Mopino turned a mother in for child neglect KittyWampus Oct 2014 #123

It is a classic tactic used by freeloaders to blame the landlord on some bullshit thing. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #130

it wasn't a "freeloader". Mopinko entitled the thread "So I Narced Out A Tenant" KittyWampus Oct 2014 #132

I never called that tenant a freeloader. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #138

It's also not okay to violate city codes when you engage in urban gardening and when you do KittyWampus Oct 2014 #141

you just said that the tenant used a "classic freeloader tactic" CreekDog Oct 2014 #160

There are good tenants and bad tenants and there are retribution tenants that work the system. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #162

if you didn't say that kind of stuff in the first place, you wouldn't have to walk it back CreekDog Oct 2014 #164

I'm not walking back anything, dear friend. I'm responding to one of your attempts to be right. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #167

So- it's okay to invoke the rules & technicalities when it's Mopinko narcing on a tenant KittyWampus Oct 2014 #168

Do you think inspectors are always honest and right? Wow, you haven't lived. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #171

My family owns a small business. We HAVE to answer to fire and health codes. Like it or not. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #193

Bingo. Starry Messenger Oct 2014 #178

as luck would have it, mopinko posted about them, take a look CreekDog Oct 2014 #143

Your welcome to live the way you want yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #144

i'm happy to say i dont. mopinko Oct 2014 #170

Cripes! MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #179

thanks for the hug. mopinko Oct 2014 #214

You had me at "dear vegan nutballs" flvegan Oct 2014 #181

i know a lot of sane vegans. none of them would mopinko Oct 2014 #188

Wait...what? flvegan Oct 2014 #190

i keep chickens. i raise my own chicks. mopinko Oct 2014 #191

Honest question: you had 4 roosters and now have 1 CreekDog Oct 2014 #209

People have suggested that keeping chickens in this particular way is inhumane. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #195

Quit playing games. Nobody said it's inhumane to keep chickens in an urban setting CreekDog Oct 2014 #196

And with this from Creekdog, I'll refrain from posting my response. flvegan Oct 2014 #197

mopinko has a combination of enclosures for her 20 chickens. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #205

Having rescued hundreds of chickens from a battery farm flvegan Oct 2014 #206

here ya go questionseverything Oct 2014 #215

Thanks, that's a very positive and informative video clip and article. The doubters need to watch. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #216

From a purely visual standpoint her property shown in that video looks junky. JimDandy Oct 2014 #228

Modified Chevy Suburban CreekDog Oct 2014 #208

"Cruel" and "Deathrap" as used in posts 7 and 10 are the equivalent to "inhumane". NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #199

and those terms have nothing to do with being in an urban setting CreekDog Oct 2014 #202

Well I've decided to reword the subject line and remove the phrase "urban setting". NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #203

Mo, seriously cwydro Oct 2014 #239

its either ignore or find another home. mopinko Oct 2014 #241

What a weird thread. Texasgal Oct 2014 #187

sometimes it is through the looking glass. mopinko Oct 2014 #189

maybe the best thing might be to check out some other urban farms JI7 Oct 2014 #207

they are coming to me. mopinko Oct 2014 #212

the perfect book for this thread Kali Oct 2014 #210

boy howdy. mopinko Oct 2014 #211

That and "Chicken Poop for the Soul" NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #217

people dont seem to get that chicken poop is so fully digested mopinko Oct 2014 #223

i didnt put this in the original post, because mopinko Oct 2014 #213

I sense a switch in sensibilities that came with the switch in mayoral leadership. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #218

the talk is great. the walk is a little wobbly. mopinko Oct 2014 #220

"Green Efforts" that come from the top (national green ribbon schools, city efforts) favor the rich. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #222

i was really reluctant to take volunteers. mopinko Oct 2014 #225

Size and fame and scale don't matter. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #227

you already are! mopinko Oct 2014 #229

That's one common reason behind this sort of harassment. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #230

the little bank to a huge bath with this guy. mopinko Oct 2014 #232

Hang in there Mo. cwydro Oct 2014 #234

me too mopinko Oct 2014 #236

Thanks to this I've learned about hugelkultur. herding cats Oct 2014 #237

well that is fitting. i learned about it here, too. mopinko Oct 2014 #238

You know, I just looked at the pictures on google earth Texasgal Oct 2014 #240

down the rabbit hole it is. mopinko Oct 2014 #242

Asking again, the photos on the fb page in your OP, of the rooster pelts CreekDog Oct 2014 #243

Throughout this thread you define that old saying ... 'A dog with a bone' SaveOurDemocracy Oct 2014 #244

If you're offended by the question CreekDog Oct 2014 #245

Turkeys?? ... I thought it was Roosters? ... Or was it chicken shit? ... SaveOurDemocracy Oct 2014 #246

Roosters sorry CreekDog Oct 2014 #248

how did you find the photos? TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #247

She posted the address at the link she posted here CreekDog Oct 2014 #249

address is publicly available. mopinko Oct 2014 #250