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baldguy

(36,649 posts) Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:37 PM Oct 2014

Hillary Clinton and the Progressive Pursuit of Perfection [View all]

The season of progressive discontent over Hillary's coming 2016 candidacy is upon us.

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The goal of anti-Hillary progressives is to find a challenger to Clinton. Their target is Senator Elizabeth Warren, with Ready for Warren created as the vehicle to convince Warren to run. It's not going to happen, with Warren sending a powerful message in August.

"This letter serves as a formal disavowal of the organization and its activity," Warren's attorney, Marc E. Elias wrote to the Federal Election Commission. "The senator has not, and does not, explicitly or implicitly, authorize, endorse, or otherwise approve of the organization's activities." (Boston Globe)

The message was ignored and so was Senator Warren's own words.

"I'm going to give you the same answer I have given you many times. There is no wiggle room. I am not running for president. No means no."

Warren supporters won't take "no means no" for an answer, which seems a little creepy to me. That progressive activists are ignoring a woman's own words about her own political future, insisting they know best, is very odd, to be kind about it.

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The complaint heard most often is Hillary's too "hawkish." Progressives evidently haven't looked at Warren's interview with Yahoo's Katie Couric. Warren has made statements supporting Israel's strong military actions against the Palestinians, and that she also believes the U.S. goal is to "close ISIS down. To end ISIS. To eliminate ISIS." Both statements could have easily come from Hillary Clinton.

As for Wall Street coziness, name one viable nominee for president who didn't have to engage big business. I'll save you the time: there isn't one, including Barack Obama. All of a sudden Hillary Clinton's being held to a different standard.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/hillary-clinton-and-the-p_1_b_5965150.html

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Hillary Clinton and the Progressive Pursuit of Perfection [View all] baldguy Oct 2014 OP

Is the Clinton/Obama TPP good fo America? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #1

Assures America's stranglehold on the rest of the world. joshcryer Oct 2014 #5

are you serious? DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #62

Of course they would disagree. joshcryer Oct 2014 #121

hahahahahaha DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #128

No. joshcryer Oct 2014 #137

define the west DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #138

Why don't you tell us all about it? You INSINUATE plenty, but until you've seen the agreements MADem Oct 2014 #40

I actually think the people who claim to want Warren as Prez... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #2

+1000 baldguy Oct 2014 #3

Republicans of course. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #33

sow discord DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #129

Now you're just projecting. baldguy Oct 2014 #131

The TPP is hateful to the base DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #135

Paid disruptors? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #12

I guess they are stalkerish according to the #1 Hillary fan davidpdx Oct 2014 #25

....or they want her to run and LOSE. MADem Oct 2014 #14

i actually like WArren more than Clinton but anyone who has actually supported JI7 Oct 2014 #32

I think she's great and I like her as my Senator. That's the ironic bit! MADem Oct 2014 #34

i agree, even if Clinton wasn't going to run i don't think Warren would get in the race JI7 Oct 2014 #37

There's so much truth in your post I just want to cover it in praise! MADem Oct 2014 #41

Me either!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #59

I can't speak for all of those who like Warren, but I believe they see her and those senators allied davidpdx Oct 2014 #26

i agree, that's why she doesn't have much support on the ground as there was for Obama early on JI7 Oct 2014 #30

++++1000 THIS ^^^^ VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #60

no DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #64

that is fucking baloney! How can you say that and still call yourself a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #68

lol. there are sure are. there are a number of coservadems pretending to be liberals. cali Oct 2014 #85

Actually there are ALOT more Independents....trying to tell Democrats what to do! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #88

Wrong again. winter is coming Oct 2014 #87

She damn near the same as Hillary! The WRONG would be YOU! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #89

I've told you before why this chart is bullshit. winter is coming Oct 2014 #91

and I have told YOU to prove it with a better graph....Until YOU do ....... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #93

I've explained to you, in detail, why that chart is crap. winter is coming Oct 2014 #96

I don't care what YOU think.....back up your bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #98

As far as I'm concerned.... Stellar Oct 2014 #97

If she won the Primary so would I .....but she isn't running. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #99

Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Oct 2014 #103

EXACTLY! they're paid disrupters - perhaps even working for ISIS Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #106

That's the only possible explanation AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #111

Warren would never make up a SniperGate story like Hillary did. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #4

You apparently didn't follow her Senate race. MADem Oct 2014 #15

I can't compare 'Minnie Haha' with Snipergate. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #16

Maybe you can't, but the RNC and all their minions can--and do. Often. Constantly. It is a MADem Oct 2014 #17

So, the republicans do all sorts of stupid things. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #18

If you aren't going to bother to even read what I write, I'm not going to bother engaging you. MADem Oct 2014 #19

Good. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #20

All Day All Night Criticism NO! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #65

and Hillary declared running for what exactly? Is it possible to 'elect' someone LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #77

Uh are you in denial that she holds the Pole Position? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #81

Yes, she hold the Poles and moves them whenever she sees fit. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #82

you don't even know what the fuck "pole position" means obviously... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #83

''you don't even know what the fuck "pole position" means obviously...'' LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #117

Repeating the Republican lies. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #29

Way to ignore the context of the conversation. MADem Oct 2014 #36

RW talking points all to defend Hillary Clinton's obvious and proven lie LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #78

"She has none." is an unproven claim. The truth is that her heritage wasn't documented. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #31

It's not a case of "will look foolish"--they've already done it and they continue to do it. MADem Oct 2014 #39

I have 2 grandparents that were known to be half Cherokee.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #66

This has been unpacked, aired, resolved, repacked and put away by the left. MADem Oct 2014 #125

MADem, do you know what that was all about? Number23 Oct 2014 #120

She believed what her parents told her, I'm sure. I don't think she had a deceitful bone in her MADem Oct 2014 #124

Awesome post, as usual Number23 Oct 2014 #126

Anytime! MADem Oct 2014 #127

I'm not a Warren acolyte, but what you are saying about her lack of Indian heritage is unfair. pnwmom Oct 2014 #134

Hillary is too hawkish. See IWR vote and support for Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #6

I don't need perfection. I'd settle for adequacy Scootaloo Oct 2014 #7

You may get your wish with sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #8

It's not about perfection PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #9

BULLHOCKEY! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

Are you claiming that red dot represents Hillary Clinton's political position? Marr Oct 2014 #73

Yes I very much am.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #90

Those things are absurdly inaccurate. Marr Oct 2014 #100

then come up with your own graphs and supporting evidence to prove it! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #102

Ok-- here you go. Marr Oct 2014 #107

+! adirondacker Oct 2014 #119

The Progressive Pursuit of Perfection... SomethingFishy Oct 2014 #10

+1 davidpdx Oct 2014 #27

Hillary - or any other mainstream Dem - is against these things? baldguy Oct 2014 #46

then you must no read the news DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #130

Children want to play with ponies in the sunshine, and eat candy everyday. baldguy Oct 2014 #132

adults DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #136

+ another Scuba Oct 2014 #49

so Hillary Clinton opposes those things? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67

Oh look, it's the "perfection" myth again. Instant fail. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #11

It is interesting to see the rollout of the "if you are not for Hillary you are a paid RW operative" djean111 Oct 2014 #13

Yeah, I don't think it's going to fly far. Marr Oct 2014 #74

I am sorry....that is not a myth.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #92

I'm a Democrat. Another fail for you. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #94

are YOU committed to vote for whomever wins the Democratic Primary election... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #95

She is too hawkish. If she gets in I doubt we go 4 years without new boots on the ground somewhere. craigmatic Oct 2014 #21

How many Presidents got to say that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #69

The problem Aerows Oct 2014 #22

Seems to me that wanting/requiring universal Democratic support for Hillary is - a unicorn. djean111 Oct 2014 #23

The second paragraph hit the nail on the head davidpdx Oct 2014 #28

The thing is, there has always been attacks on the Dem nom from supposed "progressives" baldguy Oct 2014 #47

And who is saying that BESIDES her opponents? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61

The "perfection" meme is dead and cold. Union Scribe Oct 2014 #24

Perfection? Shit, I'd settle for someone that AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #35

. nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #38

How dare two former SECSTATES be collegial! Oh, the Huge Manatee!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #42

Non negotiable for me as well. JEB Oct 2014 #123

She's a corporatist, if that's where you are content arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #43

Oh no she isn't VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #56

So, where is she on TPP? NAFTA was such a winner arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #118

K&R in the Strongest Possible Terms! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #44

What a ridiculous article. unrec. 2banon Oct 2014 #45

"Perfection" now being defined as.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #48

So those are the ONLY issues we need to be concerned with? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55

Is Hillary the ONLY politician who agrees with me on the issues you named? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #71

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL. Long way between there and "perfection". Scuba Oct 2014 #50

Oh, haven't you heard? Being against all those are all ponies and unicorns now. n/t djean111 Oct 2014 #51

Oh your pet peeves again....as if they are the ONLY issues to be concerned with... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #54

Not the only issues, but key, and good indicators. Scuba Oct 2014 #57

Obviously from my previous post....that is BULLSHIT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

She has a strong voting record on women's rights. Rhetoric on other progressive issues.... Scuba Oct 2014 #70

I'm sorry...YOU don't get to weigh the issues for the Party now do you? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #84

Nope, only for me, just as you only get to weigh them for you. Scuba Oct 2014 #114

right and your scale needs recalibrating if YOU think Hillary Clinton is equal to Richard Nixon! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #116

Pretty creepy how you capitalize "Party" Union Scribe Oct 2014 #122

"Pet peeves". Wow. Marr Oct 2014 #76

YOU keep telling yourself that there is ONLY one issue to consider..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #86

Sorry, but I think you gave away your credibility when you described war, economic injustice, Marr Oct 2014 #109

I described HIS pet issues....I didn't define those....and I will thank you NOT to put your words VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #110

Uh-huh. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #112

YES! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #113

Sure is a long way - a long journey through hell! polichick Oct 2014 #115

FIRST they have to stop lying about Hillary Clinton... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52

Sigh. merrily Oct 2014 #53

Stop it til after the elections! She sucks on costly trade & war & income disparity. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #72

I'm not in pursuit of perfection. Iggo Oct 2014 #75

The Waltons and other 1%'ers support Hillary because she'll help them keep closeupready Oct 2014 #79

Is this the vote for the Democrat we tell you to thread or you aren't a good Democrat? mmonk Oct 2014 #80

Why yes, it is! And that really long, meant to derail the conversation by making it tedious to djean111 Oct 2014 #105

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #101

It's more than Hillary being hawkish. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #104

Ah, this old chestnut. I'd expect nothing less from the sideboob gazette. hughee99 Oct 2014 #108

DNC won't stop until it flushes liberals out of politics - it just gets worse whereisjustice Oct 2014 #133

Damn....I think we do get to vote, don't we? CANDO Oct 2014 #139

That's exactly what the anti-Democratic "progressives" want - No primaries, no votes counted. baldguy Oct 2014 #142

we all know that strawmen are all the third wayers have stupidicus Oct 2014 #140

Sanders and Warren fadedrose Oct 2014 #141

yep stupidicus Oct 2014 #143