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3. And when a "tool" begins life for the specific

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:25 AM

Apr 2012

purpose of serving a racist, classist ideology, that's no problem for you? It's a wee bit different from wearing clothes and eating food, despite your attempt to dismiss it as harmless. People have talked about the dubious worth of such testing for a good long while, and it's interesting to see where it came from.

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Standardized testing originated in the eugenics movement [View all] HiPointDem Apr 2012 OP

Eugentists also wore clothes and ate food, should we stop that too? Kurska Apr 2012 #1

+1. TheWraith Apr 2012 #2

And when a "tool" begins life for the specific Union Scribe Apr 2012 #3

The first serious anti-smoking campaigns were created by the Nazis. TheWraith Apr 2012 #4

Testing was used by eugenicists to rank & categorize populations in order to distribute benefit and HiPointDem Apr 2012 #8

You don't seem to understand the concept of the genetic fallacy. TheWraith Apr 2012 #34

You don't seem to understand my reasoning. It has nothing to do with the genetic fallacy. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36

I prefer to criticise ST because it sucks, not because I like the genetic fallacy. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #32

This is an overly simplistic and distorted "history" unc70 Apr 2012 #5

and "who gets into elite colleges" has no relation to the eugenics movement? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #6

No, the tests are not some ploy to maintain control unc70 Apr 2012 #17

Of course they are. The impulse to sort, categorize and rank human beings for the purpose of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #19

That the instruments (tests in this case) are misused ... unc70 Apr 2012 #24

The entire impulse for the extension of testing is to do these things. And always was; to rank, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #25

There is no point in discussing this further with you unc70 Apr 2012 #28

I may know more about the subject than you imagine. So I am not surprised that you call HiPointDem Apr 2012 #29

I stand by my earlier assessment unc70 Apr 2012 #45

Yep. Also, responses #1 and #20. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #31

where is the test that shows this SwampG8r Apr 2012 #7

Well said quaker bill Apr 2012 #11

You're right. It's a talent you learn to spot. Noodleboy13 Apr 2012 #35

one of us one of us SwampG8r Apr 2012 #44

K & R! proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #9

k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #10

Need I mention Margaret Sanger? exboyfil Apr 2012 #12

We don't need an alternative obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13

What standard to use for ploughing through 20,000 exboyfil Apr 2012 #15

A lot of people were eugenicists before 1945. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #14

If you think standardized testing is okay, proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #16

Maybe the tests were accurate, but the special education helped them? Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #38

I don't understand your point about special ed proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #39

why do we need the MCATs? some future doctors may not do well Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #18

As. Did. Birth. Control. Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #20

You mean lysol douches? Quantess Apr 2012 #21

No, Margaret Sanger (and I have no problem with her efforts) Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #22

Oh. Well yes, she was a champion of access to birth control for poor women. Quantess Apr 2012 #23

other motivating factors: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #30

Birth control didn't originate in the eugenics movement. The promotion of birth control for the HiPointDem Apr 2012 #27

Exactly. Thank you for putting it so concisely. Quantess Apr 2012 #33

Alternatives? n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #26

I'm going to guess that those tests have been changed over the years. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #37

Cultural bias has been found repeatedly in standardized tests proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #40

Not true. Some people have found bias. The tests... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #46

As for what I think we should do instead - proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #41

What about for everyone else? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #42

Portfolio assessment would work well for elementary proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #43

I don't think that should be in the hands of teachers. Talk about bias. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #47